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Yeh its definitely gonna take some getting used to. Still miss the sound of the V10s.
Dang I'm feeling old, I miss the sound of the V-12s and actually got to hear the sound of a BRM H-16 during the first year (1966) of the 3 liter formula.
Two of the things I don't like about current F1 regs are the number of cylinders and redline being by rule. If a team wants to run a V-16 and can get it to live at 25,000 RPM I believe they should be free to do so.
Dang I'm feeling old, I miss the sound of the V-12s and actually got to hear the sound of a BRM H-16 during the first year (1966) of the 3 liter formula.
Two of the things I don't like about current F1 regs are the number of cylinders and redline being by rule. If a team wants to run a V-16 and can get it to live at 25,000 RPM I believe they should be free to do so.
I have mixed feelings about the second part of your post. I agree with it but at the same time, I think it can divide the field a lot. Unless the bugets are capped for the smaller teams to stay somewhat competitive.
I wish they would go back to V10s and fuel stops.
I've only heard the V12s online but I actually think the new engines(V6 T) sound a lot like the V12s. Think the V10s sounded the best to me.
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I have mixed feelings about the second part of your post. I agree with it but at the same time, I think it can divide the field a lot. Unless the bugets are capped for the smaller teams to stay somewhat competitive.
I have the feeling there's few practical ways of containing costs in racing other than some of the classes with claiming rules, there's probably far too many methods of creative bookkeeping to make budget restraints effective. What generally seems to happen is when the regs get more restrictive, the search for an 'edge' becomes more esoteric and usually (but not always) better handled by the well funded teams. The old adage "speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?" is very difficult to work around.
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Originally Posted by Jean71
I wish they would go back to V10s and fuel stops.
I've only heard the V12s online but I actually think the new engines(V6 T) sound a lot like the V12s. Think the V10s sounded the best to me.
I did have the pleasure of hearing the V10s with no rev limits in Montreal one year, the sounds along with how very short braking distances had become were impressive.
Personally I'd like to see something like a weight per displacement formula that would give designers a wide open area to choose between light, small displacement cars and heavier, larger displacement ones. I think it'd be interesting to see if a light vs. heavy battle developed or if a natural selection process lead all teams to similar designs.
I wouldn't want refueling back. It was sprinting to the next stop. If they were close to a rival, they just pitted a lap earlier or later a bank a quick inlap our outlap instead of passing on the track. I wasn't a fan then and won't be a fan again if it's back.
I have the feeling there's few practical ways of containing costs in racing other than some of the classes with claiming rules, there's probably far too many methods of creative bookkeeping to make budget restraints effective. What generally seems to happen is when the regs get more restrictive, the search for an 'edge' becomes more esoteric and usually (but not always) better handled by the well funded teams. The old adage "speed costs money, how fast you wanna go?" is very difficult to work around.
I did have the pleasure of hearing the V10s with no rev limits in Montreal one year, the sounds along with how very short braking distances had become were impressive.
Personally I'd like to see something like a weight per displacement formula that would give designers a wide open area to choose between light, small displacement cars and heavier, larger displacement ones. I think it'd be interesting to see if a light vs. heavy battle developed or if a natural selection process lead all teams to similar designs.
Great post.
Good points in the first section.
I think the heavier vs lighter thing would be a good idea. Definity would be interesting to see if a natural selection process would lead to a similar design. I think fuel consumption would definitely play part in that.
Another thing to keep in mind is, teams then could build the motor to last only one race. As of the last few seasons, they only have a set amount of engines they can use per season. I think next year IIRC, they are only allowed one engine for the entire season. Though I could be wrong.
I wouldn't want refueling back. It was sprinting to the next stop. If they were close to a rival, they just pitted a lap earlier or later a bank a quick inlap our outlap instead of passing on the track. I wasn't a fan then and won't be a fan again if it's back.
There is truth to this. But when you consider that most fuel stops were made at tyre intervals, it wasn't a major dictator of the finish. Every stop still cost time as it does now. So minimal stops was still a goal. Given the displacement and efficiency changes, im guessing only one stop for fuel would be needed. They don't require any now....
They'd probably just change the weight regulation to allow the cars to be lighter and make the fuel tanks smaller.
Not sure if its just my imagination, but it seems the sport just kinda changed when they stopped allowing cigarette sponsors. I think they pumped a lot of money into the sport.
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Not sure if its just my imagination, but it seems the sport just kinda changed when they stopped allowing cigarette sponsors. I think they pumped a lot of money into the sport.
Being a Colin Chapman/Lotus fan I know I really enjoyed the John Player livery on those cars back then. Andretti's title winning Lotus 79 was IMO a beautiful car
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I think the heavier vs lighter thing would be a good idea. Definity would be interesting to see if a natural selection process would lead to a similar design. I think fuel consumption would definitely play part in that.
Another thing to keep in mind is, teams then could build the motor to last only one race. As of the last few seasons, they only have a set amount of engines they can use per season. I think next year IIRC, they are only allowed one engine for the entire season. Though I could be wrong.
One engine per season would be quite an achievement, even today's reliability is light years ahead of that of not that many years ago.
There are many things that could be changed in the rules to make things more interesting, I'd just like to see F! get away from the trend towards a 'spec car', i.e. number of cylinders specified/redline limited by regulation, common ECU, etc. There are some true engineering geniuses working in F!, I'd like to see them have a little more room to play and see what they produce.
Being a Colin Chapman/Lotus fan I know I really enjoyed the John Player livery on those cars back then. Andretti's title winning Lotus 79 was IMO a beautiful car
Agreed. That was a VERY nice looking car. I also real liked the Camel Renault and 555/Lucky Strike BAR.
Oh, and the B&H and Mild Seven Jordans.
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