How to make Nascar racing better (drivers, engines, Ford, cars)

[PDD]

1. Form new rules committee with one engineer from each manufacturer on the committee.
2. Engines and all engine parts have to be available in the manufacturers performance parts catalog or aftermarket catalog. No one of engine parts.
3. Tech inspectors will be supervised by the rules committee.
4. Each track gets only one points race per season.
5 Season starts in February and ends in October.
6 France family own tracks but has no say in rules.
7. No engine or Chassis dyno testing
8. Throw out the restrictor plates and use a gear rule to limit top speed.
9. Throw out spoilers and splitters.
10. Institute a claiming rule on engines, if you engine is found illegal you lose your win and your engine.

[kentuckydad95]

I think NASCAR has tweaked itself to death as it is.

I did get a nice laugh at #6.

[Patsfan20]

Follow the points system F1 uses.

[PDD]

F1 is not racing.

[kentuckydad95]

Originally Posted by Patsfan20

Follow the points system F1 uses.

I could look it up, but how does their system work?

[burdell]

Originally Posted by PDD

F1 is not racing.

And a series that takes points away for something said after a race is?

[Gimme3steps]

Most of your rule proposals would work...at the local Saturday night short track.

# 1 What purpose would that serve?
#'s. 2 and 7 would ensure no car would finish a 500 mile race.
# 3 Already are
# 4 At what tracks are the rest of the races gonna be held?
# 5 Not much of a change there
# 6 It's their ball
# 8 It's either/or. Still the same results
# 9 Yeah, let's watch 'em fly
# 10 Claiming rule? These ain't street stocks or bombers.

[PDD]

Originally Posted by Gimme3steps

Most of your rule proposals would work...at the local Saturday night short track.

# 1 What purpose would that serve?
#'s. 2 and 7 would ensure no car would finish a 500 mile race.
# 3 Already are
# 4 At what tracks are the rest of the races gonna be held?
# 5 Not much of a change there
# 6 It's their ball
# 8 It's either/or. Still the same results
# 9 Yeah, let's watch 'em fly
# 10 Claiming rule? These ain't street stocks or bombers.

#1 would insure no favoritism by Nascar given to certain manufacturers

#2- Engines are supposed to be a stock engine not a Race only piece like F1

#4 would allow expansion to new tracks and return to Rockingham 30 races a year is enough.
#6 yes it's thier ball but their constant changing of the rules costs the teams money. The restrictor plate rules has wrecked more car than any other rule and at no expense to Nascar.
#9 Puts the drivers skill into place instead of the engineers. The drivers know the limits, the cars don't.
#10 claiming rule would keep the mega teams from unlimited spending on engines. 20 years ago the cars were just as fast as today with out $100,000 pushrod engines

The old timers know racing used to be better. the newbies just don't know any better.

[Gimme3steps]

Originally Posted by PDD

#1 would insure no favoritism by Nascar given to certain manufacturers

#2- Engines are supposed to be a stock engine not a Race only piece like F1

#4 would allow expansion to new tracks and return to Rockingham 30 races a year is enough.
#6 yes it's thier ball but their constant changing of the rules costs the teams money. The restrictor plate rules has wrecked more car than any other rule and at no expense to Nascar.
#9 Puts the drivers skill into place instead of the engineers. The drivers know the limits, the cars don't.
#10 claiming rule would keep the mega teams from unlimited spending on engines. 20 years ago the cars were just as fast as today with out $100,000 pushrod engines

The old timers know racing used to be better. the newbies just don't know any better.

At least we agree there. The newbies always think they know a better way. They usually don't.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by PDD

1. Form new rules committee with one engineer from each manufacturer on the committee.

not a bad idea.

2. Engines and all engine parts have to be available in the manufacturers performance parts catalog or aftermarket catalog. No one of engine parts.

they are already in the manufacturers catalogs. in fact blocks and heads have to have the part number of the manufacturer on them. for instance approved heads for ford engines have to have a ford part number cast in the head.

3. Tech inspectors will be supervised by the rules committee.

tech inspectors should be part of the rules committee.

4. Each track gets only one points race per season.

i disagree with this one, there are some tracks that are quite popular to both fans and racers, daytona and talledega for instance.

5 Season starts in February and ends in October.

it pretty much does already for the most part. granted the last race is in november, but in the first part of the month

6 France family own tracks but has no say in rules.

hard to so since the france family OWNS nascar.

7. No engine or Chassis dyno testing

bad idea. dyno testing does more than just figure out how to make more power and/or efficiency for the race teams, the manufacturers also use dyno test results of race engines as R&D on street engines, same with aftermarket manufacturers.

8. Throw out the restrictor plates and use a gear rule to limit top speed.
9. Throw out spoilers and splitters.

now these two i can get behind. and while i would not eliminate spoilers entirely, i would limit them like the old days where you had a 2-3 inch tall real spoiler that ran the width of the deck, and a front spoiler that was also 2-3 inches that ran half the width of the front end. as for a gear ratio, make them run a 4.56 rear gear, that will slow the cars down.

10. Institute a claiming rule on engines, if you engine is found illegal you lose your win and your engine.

i dont like claimer rules. however a mandatory tear down if a protest is lodged is a good idea. the team filing the protest puts up $1000 fee, and if they win the protest they get the money back, if not, the team that the protest was filed against gets the money as a labor payment for having to tear the engine down on the spot. it works in the various drag racing sanctioning bodies.

Originally Posted by Patsfan20

Follow the points system F1 uses.

actually the current points system is very well done. and it is far better than the original system which was based on how much prize money was made by the driver during the season. it was not uncommon for drivers to run 46 races back then.

Originally Posted by kentuckydad95

I could look it up, but how does their system work?

the F1 points system awards 20 points for a win, 15(iirc) for second place, and on down to one point for tenth place(iirc). its not a bad system, but it does reqiure that you run upfront and win races to win a championship, where as the nascar system is based on consistency through the first 26 races, and winning in the last ten races.