07-21-2011, 07:09 PM
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That the diehard Pro-Austin people( Ones that cant ever shut up about how Austin is right up there with Heaven as the place to be)
are usually very financially secure, wealthy people? I rarely see any non-college student who's finances are tight be pro-austin.
You know, I guess I would love Austin too if I worked in the software, advertising, marketing industries making a new chunk of change.
I've lived here in Austin since 1987. Austin used to be a really cool, quiet underground place. Till about say 1991-92 when Dell, and other corporations started majorly getting big or established. Then the cost of living kept going up and up.
Why would I want to live in a wannabe version of LA if its going to be the same cost of living-wise, and lack of decent job market? LA may be spread out. But at least you're getting better job opportunity and more things to do that can almost justify the cost of living there.
Dont get me started on the dating scene here. Its great if you want to date 21 year olds the rest of your life. Not so good if you happen to be early 30's. Cause every one in that age bracket here is either married, or single with kids.
For all it's drawbacks, LA, New York, Arizona have better availability of single 30 somethings with no kids. Nothing against single parents. But my line of work barely covers the cost of living here. There's no way I can support a potential family.
I mean San Antonio for all its questionability living-wise, at least is cheaper to live. And the job market is somewhat better. I have a feeling Austin is going to have the same situation as what happened to californians who moved down here.
The cost of living is going to keep going up, add in metro raising their fares higher and higher. I guarantee you'll see a huge amount of people flee from here to San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, or even out of state.
Im trying to pull money together myself for me and my father who I take care of to move to San Antonio. Cause I make more money there than here. All the companies in my industry moved up there 2 years ago. That was the only thing keeping me here. Now there is no reason, so I plan to move me and my dad out of here by next year.
See the rest of you guys there in a few years
07-21-2011, 07:15 PM
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I'm a very financially secure (although I wouldn't say wealthy) person who has never said Austin is great, or even good. In fact, if you look at my posts, I am pretty darn critical of Austin.
07-21-2011, 07:57 PM
Location: Holly Neighborhood, Austin, Texas
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Go to the Thursday Night Social Bike ride at Fiesta Gardens and you will meet about 300 hipsters whose only money is from their gig at the pizza joint that would never leave Austin if they had a choice.
07-21-2011, 08:15 PM
Location: Houston (Bellaire)
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Though it certainly wasn't your intention, this thread is a wonderful example of the common denominator amongst, for lack of a better term, Austin "haters" - that is, providing ignorant arguments founded on extremely limited anecdotal evidence. Things like a random encounter with a racist or drunk college kids are offered up as legitimate reasons for why Austin "sucks" or is "inferior" to other Texas cities.
But the hallmark of this crowd is the embellishment (or outright fabrication) of more objective details - case in point, there's no denying that the cost of living in (parts of) Austin is high relative to the rest of the state, but it's hardly reached stratospheric west coast prices as you suggest. And who are you trying to kid about the better job opportunities in LA?
I can think of many reasons not to like Austin - most of which have an objective basis, e.g., lack of "big city" amenities - but criticism along this line is rarely expressed and even more rarely well-articulated on this forum.
However, attempting to extrapolate your extremely limited sample set of opinions of Austin which have allegedly been correlated to socioeconomic status only reflects upon your foolishness. But, please - continue to make senseless generalizations while the rest of us, evidently, wealthy folk shake our heads in pity...
07-21-2011, 08:21 PM
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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07-21-2011, 10:14 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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That the diehard Pro-Austin people( Ones that cant ever shut up about how Austin is right up there with Heaven as the place to be)
Not sure I could come up with many usernames on here that fit this description. There ARE a bunch of users that do try to correct ridiculous assertions about traffic, costs, etc., but most aren't even claiming that it is all that great, necessarily, just not the pit of hell that some would have you believe.
07-21-2011, 10:27 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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You guys ever notice that people with a name like "Public Image" is the reason why people with the name "Public Image" don't like Austin?
Dude... get on with yourself. It's not L.A. It's not San Fransisco. It's not Denver and it's not New York. It's Austin. And it's changing and it is what it is. And it's still the greatest place in the country. So get on with your damn self. Sorry the image didn't live up to your image. Stop chasing images brother. You'll be happier in the end.
07-21-2011, 10:35 PM
Location: san francisco
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Not. At. All. True. I'm poor, still a student, I only got $600 saved and I'm one of those who love Austin to death. I'm currently in San Francisco and yes San Francisco is a behemoth of a city compared to Austin. But those are not the things that make Austin such a fantastic city. I assumed that San Francisco would offer everything as eloquently as Austin offers for me. The girls, the booze, the music, the food, the people... all in just a few blocks. Sadly, that's not true. Yes, San Francisco provides more in every single aspect, but it doesn't offer it the way Austin does and that's why I like it. That's why I miss it.
I miss the fact that I could actually eat and get full for just 6 bucks. Here I've just finished eating a meal for 18 bucks and I wasn't even full. It's like Blev said, if its not the image for you, then it isn't the image for you. But boy, just today here in SF I heard it 3 times, of others saying great things about Austin and I didn't even say a word about Austin. You're just not seeing what's great about it and I feel sorry for you because you should be having so much fun even right now.
And just so you know... you gotta be kidding about your age range. I have plenty of friends all in their 30's who are doing just fine dating. Go out more dude.
07-22-2011, 05:52 AM
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I've lived here in Austin since 1987. Austin used to be a really cool, quiet underground place. Till about say 1991-92 when Dell, and other corporations started majorly getting big or established. Then the cost of living kept going up and up.
But this is true everywhere in the USA that's "hip." Not a valid complaint about Austin per se. Cost of living is still cheap in Indianapolis, Houston, and Kansas City among other places.
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Why would I want to live in a wannabe version of LA if its going to be the same cost of living-wise, and lack of decent job market? LA may be spread out. But at least you're getting better job opportunity and more things to do that can almost justify the cost of living there.
Wannabe version of LA is a huge stretch. Yes, with wealth has come more superficialness to Austin, but LA is many orders of magnitude worse.
Austin due the university and the technology business will always be more grounded.
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Dont get me started on the dating scene here. Its great if you want to date 21 year olds the rest of your life. Not so good if you happen to be early 30's. Cause every one in that age bracket here is either married, or single with kids.
For all it's drawbacks, LA, New York, Arizona have better availability of single 30 somethings with no kids. Nothing against single parents. But my line of work barely covers the cost of living here. There's no way I can support a potential family.
Two issues here:
Yes, after 30 (really 35+) being single in Austin drops off a cliff as far as the single life. LA and NYC is much better if you value that.
Supporting a family in Austin isn't that hard... just move to Leander or Kyle. Typical suburban situation. Few people can raise kids in West LA; instead they move to Riverside.
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I mean San Antonio for all its questionability living-wise, at least is cheaper to live. And the job market is somewhat better. I have a feeling Austin is going to have the same situation as what happened to californians who moved down here.
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San Antonio is a working class kind of city. It's affordable but down there you're just not going to run into the level of educated, creative, and bright people like you do in Austin.
07-22-2011, 06:29 AM
Location: central Austin
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Puh-leeze!
Chances are you would have hated Austin of 20 years ago too! One big reason -- jobs were not plentiful. Sure there were lots of State and University jobs but they were steady-income prizes and newcomers rarely got them. Every barista, yogurt-shop worker, and burger-flipper seemed to have a master's degree. Have you seen Slacker? The reason there were slackers was that tuition at UT was so cheap, and "real" jobs so hard to come by that it was easier just to keep taking a few classes, make art, play in a band, etc.
The high tech, advertising, marketing jobs that you deplore transformed Austin! They broke up insular attitudes by attracting a critical mass of outsiders (20+ years ago, folks could give you the cold shoulder when they found out you weren't from Texas) who could no longer be ignored. Insular "Old Austin" (not the ones at Threadgills but the lawyers in Pemberton) was shaken up and Austin became a more vibrant and charitable place.
Anyway, Texas is a low-tax, low-service state (and has been for decades under dems and repubs) and that means that it is a hell of a place to be poor. The difference now is that the state has a much bigger, more diversified economy. Education and skills were not much help during the 80s oil bust and S&L crisis, but they make all the difference now.
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People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)