why doesnt anyone date an artist?

[inthecut]

Originally Posted by twange

Now wait a minute there, I NEVER said that craft isn't critical to art. It is crucial. I just felt that the distinction between the two should be made. As I mentioned (in bold ), the artist speaks THROUGH their chosen craft.

Actually, I think just as many artists limit their output to that which speaks only emotionally, without having very good craft. See the over-use of auto-tuners in pop music.

Also, a distinction between artist and artisan could also be made. Artisans make decorative or often useful items that are mostly free of the notion of "underlying meaning". Think someone who makes practical woodworking items that, while beautiful and expertly made serve a practical use (like a beautiful pipe or a wall clock) without any representational meaning - like how a clock represents our futile attempt to harness the abstract quality of time.

You are getting intense Twange..I have to go through your post three times to absorb it all..you should write for a living...

[inthecut]

Originally Posted by twange

Your description of what qualifies one as an artist is pretty much the expected view of one who is not. Generating income by any of these activities only makes one a "painter", "actor", "singer" etc...Income alone has nothing to do with being an artist. It's the point of view. Mylee Cyrus makes a lot of money singing and performing, that doesn't make her an artist. She is a pop star/entertainer/celebrity. Of course sometimes a pop star IS an artist as well.

Oh, and breaks in income? You're kidding right? There are a hell of a lot of people these days with breaks in their income through no fault of there own. To assume otherwise is sort of presumptuous, no?

The Beatles would be at the top of Pop stars that break through with creativity...bar none..

[twange]

Originally Posted by inthecut

You are getting intense Twange..I have to go through your post three times to absorb it all..you should write for a living...

Thanks, but if I didn't make a respectable income (with no employment gaps of course!), would I still be able to call myself a writer?

[twange]

Originally Posted by inthecut

The Beatles would be at the top of Pop stars that break through with creativity...bar none..

The "toppermost of the poppermost"

[inthecut]

Originally Posted by twange

Thanks, but if I didn't make a respectable income (with no employment gaps of course!), would I still be able to call myself a writer?

I get the subtle humor of that..good one!..no, seriously, I write pretty damn well myself, and you kick my butt in that department....I would very highly recommend you try to get into some angle per writing..at least for a mag/journal/blog, if not books..I think we both really should, actually...

[austin-steve]

Originally Posted by picassovandali

i was curious....why doesnt anyone date an artist? do we drive people that crazy? are we that broke?.....

"Artists" are stereotypically moody, needy, self absorbed and broke. That would make them attractive only to the small subset of "caretaker" types looking, perhaps subconsciously, for a "project" mate through which they can vicariously resolve the unreconciled complexities of their childhood family relationships.

That's my best guess and I could be totally wrong.

Steve

[inthecut]

Originally Posted by austin-steve

"Artists" are stereotypically moody, needy, self absorbed and broke. That would make them attractive only to the small subset of "caretaker" types looking, perhaps subconsciously, for a "project" mate through which they can vicariously resolve the unreconciled complexities of their childhood family relationships.

That's my best guess and I could be totally wrong.

Steve

Prob troubled people in general show those same characteristics....I think a better way of putting the question would be, "Why aren't women interested in men with an artistic temperament"....I would think that men with an artistic bend are more sensitive, def more moody, not necessarily more needy(that's a very undefinted word, needy, I think that here steve is implying emotionally insecure), and possiblt more broke, but that would be more indicative of personal problems or laziness, which are not at all necesarily part and parcel of being an artist...possibly wanna be artists who are not talented enough to cut it at a living, and have enough support from family to fritter away college years with useless degrees, but not many families able to back career students anymore like the past...

Those traits imply a very emotionally immature man who is avoiding reality/responsibility, and hiding behind "art", or something approximating the same, to keep one step ahead of the real world...in that case, prob males and femaled period would avoid someone like that, let alone females in the dating game...serious artists who put their heart, soul, and time into their endeavor, have studios to display artwork, and have great talent are not at all in this situation...so, after all is said, we are describing simply an emotionally insecure male with no responsibilities, hiding behind "art" as an excuse not to grow up...

last question..There are prob almost as many female artists as male artists...was the poster referring to why no one wants to date female artists? Totally turns the topic around, doesn't it?