Nathan Deal to veto Georgia’s ‘campus carry’ legislation (Atlanta: crime rates, credit)

[AnsleyPark]

Originally Posted by Newsboy

WHO is taking your guns away? Nobody. You can own as many guns as you want. There has never been one law proposed to restrict your right to own guns -- lots and lots of guns. And for every gun you buy legally, that's one more available gun for the thugs and criminals to obtain illegally. Get it? You buy guns. They steal your guns. So yeah, you really are the source of the problem.

The issue is where YOU should be able to carry those guns in public places. Historically, laws have ristricted the carrying of guns in public places because for safety reasons -- and because the public's right NOT to be exposed to and subjected to open weapons trumps your right to have a gun everywhere you desire to go.

What part of this do you not understand?

Only someone with a demented mind would seriously desire to see a bunch of 20 year olds running around a college campus with guns strapped to their hips -- JUST IN CASE! It's absolutely asinine! And yet, the gun lobby has convinced paranoid individuals such as yourself that to deny open carry on college campuses is "taking away your guns." It's so absolutely ludicrous it's a wonder that any half intelligent person even falls for it. And yet they do.

Now, hurl insults at me and call me names. I'm only repeating what every single college official, and the majority of the population, in this state is saying: We don't want (nor need) open carry on our campuses.

Newsboy - excellent and thoughtful comments.

[primaltech]

Newsboy said it well. The "bad guys" and "good guys" are not in separate vacuums. It's all related. A society obsessed with guns is going to have plenty of illegal ones everywhere. A society obsessed with guns is going to have plenty of gun violence.

I don't want that to be our reality anymore, or our future. I don't like that paranoid version of America. Firearms should be highly regulated and highly restricted. I'm not outright opposed to private ownership, but it just depends on the situation and context, as well as the type of weapon, and how it's being used.

And there should be much further limits when it comes to carrying weapons in public environments. "Disarm" is far from it, though. I think any guns at the university campus should be strapped to highly trained, licensed security professionals. Not unstable dimwitted racists who troll internet forums.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Because carry laws are malum prohibitum laws: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum
Laws that exist for the sake of existing, they do nothing to stop evil unlike laws against assault/robbery/murder/running the red light which exist to prevent harm.

For someone with a carry permit, quite high, easily higher than 99%.

Um, no. The number is actually close to 2% overall. I do not have the figure handy what it is for permit owners, but there is no way that a subset of 2% exceeds 99%.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Newsboy

Only someone with a demented mind would seriously desire to see a bunch of 20 year olds running around a college campus with guns strapped to their hips -- JUST IN CASE! It's absolutely asinine! And yet, the gun lobby has convinced paranoid individuals such as yourself that to deny open carry on college campuses is "taking away your guns." It's so absolutely ludicrous it's a wonder that any half intelligent person even falls for it. And yet they do.

Bad guys can be anywhere. In many if not most cases they can take you out before you even see them coming.

Isn't it better to have an alert and responsible well-armed student body with first rate tactical training and the ability to remain cool, calm and collected under any circumstances?

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Bad guys can be anywhere. In many if not most cases they can take you out before you even see them coming.

Isn't it better to have an alert and responsible well-armed student body with first rate tactical training and the ability to remain cool, calm and collected under any circumstances?

It only takes one time for that to go horribly wrong.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Isn't it better to have an alert and responsible well-armed student body with first rate tactical training and the ability to remain cool, calm and collected under any circumstances?

That is a fantasy world that can't and won't ever exist.

[arjay57]

Young people are probably at the peak of their reflexes. If anybody can take out the bad guys they'd be the ones.

[Newsboy]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Bad guys can be anywhere. In many if not most cases they can take you out before you even see them coming.

Isn't it better to have an alert and responsible well-armed student body with first rate tactical training and the ability to remain cool, calm and collected under any circumstances?

Do you realize your two paragraphs above are a complete contradiction?

As to the question posed in your second paragraph: Absolutely NO! Arjay I really thought better of you and am somewhat surprised you're taking this position (unless you're being sarcastic and I missed it?).

[Newsboy]

This is a GREAT blog site for those who advocate responsible and reasonable gun use:

Thomas Jefferson and James Madison Didn’t Want Guns on Their College Campus

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/tho...-campus-carry/

[Pemgin]

"[Deal] invoked the very authority on which many gun rights enthusiasts rely: The Founding Fathers’ words and intentions on the right to bear arms."

very clever move