Nathan Deal makes a forceful, biblical case against Georgia’s ‘religious liberty’ bill (Kennesaw: chapel, unemployed)

[gentlearts]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

I mentioned what is actually in the bill earlier but everyone is whipped is such a frenzy of indignation that I don't think anyone cares.

I know, right? I'd argue that perhaps religious freedom is already protected, but some must not think so.

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by CCATL

Christians feel like they are under a huge, make believe, attack, They are afraid and ignorant, and therefore spew hate. That hate is associated with this bill. Huge corporations, providing thousands of jobs in this state, see that hate. If they pull out, we're in deep S***. So, regardless of your personal feelings about what it says or doesn't say, the threat of putting this state back into a recession should be proof enough that Deal needs to immediately veto this bill.

But why are you attacking him though? You calling christians ignorant, you dont see any error in that? We wont be in deep anything if the bullies pull out. Hopefully the politicians stand their ground on the state matter. Georgia will not be in a recession, it very arrogant to think such a thing. Georgia has to bend because Disney, the NFL and Saleforce say so?? I view it as their lost and if companies decided they dont want to do business in the state of Georgia, they have the right to vacate if they choose. Life is about choice right?

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by CCATL

I think a lot of people care. There are many problems with the bill, but I'll point out three, even considering your points.

1) See Cameron's post above, it is a good example of a FBO funded with taxpayer dollars being able to discriminate against citizens.
2) It is a slippery slope. This wasn't how the legislation was originally proposed, and therefore it is more than likely step 1, and step 2 will come next year attempting once again to expand the legislation.
3) Economically, it doesn't matter what the bill says or doesn't say. Christians feel like they are under a huge, make believe, attack, and most won't read the bill. They are afraid and ignorant, and therefore spew hate. That hate is associated with this bill. Huge corporations, providing thousands of jobs in this state, see that hate. If they pull out, we're in deep S***. So, regardless of your personal feelings about what it says or doesn't say, the threat of putting this state back into a recession should be proof enough that Deal needs to immediately veto this bill.

Very simply, that organization would have to decide if providing the government funded service suits their mission. If not, then they would no longer be able to provide that service.

The slippery slope is that First amendment rights are under assault.

You say that Christians falsely feel that they are under attack immediately followed by characterizing their beliefs as "hate" and ignorant. And you don't see any contradiction there?

The belief that marriage is between a man and a woman is NOT hate toward gays. It is a belief that the since-the-beginning-of-time-definition of marriage is the best for society, best for children and best for individuals.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by 0nyxStation

But why are you attacking him though? You calling christians ignorant, you dont see any error in that? We wont be in deep anything if the bullies pull out. Hopefully the politicians stand their ground on the state matter. Georgia will not be in a recession, it very arrogant to think such a thing. Georgia has to bend because Disney, the NFL and Saleforce say so?? I view it as their lost and if companies decided they dont want to do business in the state of Georgia, they have the right to vacate if they choose. Life is about choice right?

If you cannot see how the second part of your post challenges the defensiveness in the first part, then you are being willfully ignorant of all the factors at play here.

In case you have not figured out, a lot of major corporations and industries are poised to boycott out state. Why are you displaying such an anti-business attitude?

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

Very simply, that organization would have to decide if providing the government funded service suits their mission. If not, then they would no longer be able to provide that service.

The slippery slope is that First amendment rights are under assault.

You say that Christians falsely feel that they are under attack immediately followed by characterizing their beliefs as "hate" and ignorant. And you don't see any contradiction there?

[Ant131531]

When do you guys think he plans to actually VETO it?

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

If you cannot see how the second part of your post challenges the defensiveness in the first part, then you are being willfully ignorant of all the factors at play here.

In case you have not figured out, a lot of major corporations and industries are poised to boycott out state. Why are you displaying such an anti-business attitude?

Stop calling people names man...smh.

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

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More rhetoric with nothing based in the facts of the issue.

[CCATL]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

Very simply, that organization would have to decide if providing the government funded service suits their mission. If not, then they would no longer be able to provide that service.

The slippery slope is that First amendment rights are under assault.

You say that Christians falsely feel that they are under attack immediately followed by characterizing their beliefs as "hate" and ignorant. And you don't see any contradiction there?

The belief that marriage is between a man and a woman is NOT hate toward gays. It is a belief that the since-the-beginning-of-time-definition of marriage is the best for society, best for children and best for individuals.

How are first amendment right under assault? There is no case of a priest, minister, or any religious leader being forced to do something in their church that they didn't want to do. I was raised Catholic, and married someone of a different religion. We weren't allowed to be married in the Catholic church. There is no law saying they MUST marry us - because you know, the whole separation of church and state thing. This law is completely pointless...literally the only thing it is doing is looking for a non-existent problem, creating a new problem, and in the process pushing corporations that employ thousands out of our state and city.

And yes, Christians who support this law are pretty ignorant, since they don't understand that they've never actually been under attack. And yes, they are hateful if they support a law that defends bigotry. Are all Christians these things? Of course not. But those supporting "religious freedom" are likely ignorant, fearful, hateful, or all of the above. If anybody needs protection for religious freedom in this country, it is everybody who ISN'T Christian. There is a ton of evidence for this, including a local example like Kennesaw blocking a Mosque from being built in the city (hell would freeze over the day a Church was denied opening), or you know, same-sex couples who want to get married OUTSIDE OF A CHURCH so that they have the same rights as heterosexual couples in terms of taxes, or even being allowed into their partner's hospital room. Ignoring that these problems exist in our society by claiming that Christians need protection is ignorance at its finest.

There is a really big difference between a group being truly under attack, for example the way Muslims are in our society today, or "separate but equal" policies of our not-so-distant past, and the culturally most vocal and powerful religion in our society afraid that a homosexual is allowed to get married to somebody they love. That's not an attack, verbal, physical, or otherwise, on a Christian person - rather, it is a threat to what they view as "normal", and they have no right to force their view of "normal" on everybody else in our country who doesn't follow their same doctrine.

[0nyxStation]

People say christians are not under attack, yet all their post are attacking christians.

READ - if you do not agree with me you are ignorant.

Its an interesting fight. Id like to see Georgia stand up to the bully corporations. Id like to see Deal work it out and clear things up without the outside bully pressure from the non christian but abrahamic religion leadership behind these bully tactics. The christians leadership lost their power to the other religion and now they are making the christians pay for it. I dont support either religion right now, but Deal shouldnt wimp out to the corporations trying to bully policies in the state of Georgia. Go bully another state.