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I've heard people make jokes that China is actually "running the show" regarding Indonesia. Although Indonesia is a sovereign nation. Do you know why people would say this?
If this is a comment on China's size and economic dominance, I suppose China is "running the show" for all of Asia.
What do you mean? Are you referring to the stat that something like over 60% of the economy of Indonesia is run by Chinese Indonesians? If so I think most of these people see themselves as Indonesian first and don't have any particular relationship with China though I'm not sure. If you mean Indonesia's economy is heavily dependant on China, well that's the case in many countries.
The chinese indonesian seem to have a disproportionate amount of power in the indonesian economy. I guess like in this country, whom controls the money controls everything. But it also seems like the chinese indonesians are not that well liked in Indonesia, hence the riots. I wonder how such a small minority can become so successful in business. I mean how do you sell something when your whole market hates you? Or at least how did such a small minority gain so much control over the assets? And I hate when people say by being hardworking, and smart. It takes much more than hard work, and smarts to gain control of assets that everyone needs so much they still buy from you even when they hate your guts.
The chinese indonesian seem to have a disproportionate amount of power in the indonesian economy. I guess like in this country, whom controls the money controls everything. But it also seems like the chinese indonesians are not that well liked in Indonesia, hence the riots. I wonder how such a small minority can become so successful in business. I mean how do you sell something when your whole market hates you? Or at least how did such a small minority gain so much control over the assets? And I hate when people say by being hardworking, and smart. It takes much more than hard work, and smarts to gain control of assets that everyone needs so much they still buy from you even when they hate your guts.
I don't think they started out hating their guts. The Dutch deliberately put in place policies to encourage the entreprenueral Chinese merchants and traders from the southern provinces of China, which gave them a jump-start dominating the economy. The same occurred in Malaysia, where there is also some resentment although maybe not to the same scale. Of course, now they monopolise a lot of things so people have no choice but to support them. It's kind of like people who diss McDonald's, many of them probably still go there and the masses still go there.
What do you mean? Are you referring to the stat that something like over 60% of the economy of Indonesia is run by Chinese Indonesians? If so I think most of these people see themselves as Indonesian first and don't have any particular relationship with China though I'm not sure. If you mean Indonesia's economy is heavily dependant on China, well that's the case in many countries.
This is the same phenomenon that I see in Thailand.
A lot of Chinese-Thai are shopkeepers and have been in business for generations.
The ones I know consider themselves Thai first.
This is the same phenomenon that I see in Thailand.
A lot of Chinese-Thai are shopkeepers and have been in business for generations.
The ones I know consider themselves Thai first.
Yeah i think the Chinese who went to Thailand are much more integrated. They're basically just Thai.
I don't think they started out hating their guts. The Dutch deliberately put in place policies to encourage the entreprenueral Chinese merchants and traders from the southern provinces of China, which gave them a jump-start dominating the economy. The same occurred in Malaysia, where there is also some resentment although maybe not to the same scale. Of course, now they monopolise a lot of things so people have no choice but to support them. It's kind of like people who diss McDonald's, many of them probably still go there and the masses still go there.
100% agree with this. All of the nations in South Asia were effected by similar policies and the Chinese with their massive population explosion happily allowed the migration of large numbers of their people to these areas. Unfortunately, the colonists were racist and therefore pushed mixing to "lighten up" the people and make them more appealing, to the point where now many of these people in the main cities and festivals look almost indistinguishable from Chinese. So in Thailand, Burma, Indonesia, the Philippines, Laos, Malaysia, Cambodia, Singapore (which was created from scratch by the British) and so forth, you have large populations of mixed or almost pure Chinese running the show economically and or politically. And indeed this has caused turmoil in South Asia to this day, along with the lingering issues from the influence of the colonial French, Dutch, Spanish, British and Americans in the political and economic sphere.
The same confluence of politics, economics and racism also took place in the Pacific where in Hawaii, native Hawaiians weren't even allowed to use their own beaches or participate in surfing competitions not that long ago, which is their national sport. And often the hotels and resorts brought in Asian women from China or elsewhere to represent "natives", not to mention the actual migration of Asian folks that was pushed by the conquerors of Hawaii.
Chinese Indonesians are Indonesian with Chinese heritage. The fact that they run the show doesn't mean China runs the show. I don't know why you equal these two.
Let me put it this way, the Jews controls a disproportionately amount of business, especially in Wall Street in the US too. Does that mean Wall Street is run by Israel?
Chinese Indonesians are Indonesian with Chinese heritage. The fact that they run the show doesn't mean China runs the show. I don't know why you equal these two.
Let me put it this way, the Jews controls a disproportionately amount of business, especially in Wall Street in the US too. Does that mean Wall Street is run by Israel?
Thanks, beautiful point you've made there same also applies to Singapore which are very Chinese, but i don't think they are loyal to China or are in any way wanted to.
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Wall Street is run by Israel?
Yep !!
Like France runs all the *good* restaurants here in the USA. (French Cuisine ... )
The police is controlled by Germany !! (German Shepherd police dogs ... )
Pizza places are all run by Italy (altho pizza in Italy does not nearly look like pizza in the USA ... )
I think the USA is run by China !!!
Everything I buy is made in China !
Even the souvenirs in Solvang (a Danish settlement in California!!)
You have your bag of salt with you ???
Dang, anybody know of any good jokes to share ?
Here is one for you!
A friend and I went to the Chinese Buffet.
He is from Costa Rica.
After we get served (the waitress asks what we would like to drink),
He says: Boy, this is the first Chinese place where I fully understand what the waitress said !
If you, as the reader, would have been with us, you would understand !
All the waitresses AND some cooks (which we could see) were Latinos !!!
Last but not least, guess what we chose to drink ?
Horchata !!! (I am NOT Latino, but I like Horchata !)
Horchata in a Chinese Buffet Place ???
So maybe all the Chinese Buffets are run by Mexico ?
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same also applies to Singapore which are very Chinese, but i don't think they are loyal to China or are in any way wanted to.
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