Are 20-40 creparcels available in any cooler areas? (Phoenix, Tucson: real estate, crime)

[azdr0710]

Originally Posted by Happy in Wyoming

I've learned that there is no mud like the mud of SW Wyoming. It's beyond anything else I've encountered.

oh man, I do know what you mean about that SW Wyo mud....bentonite clay is it????.....we were once driving the narrow old railroad bed of the original transcon. line SE of Evanston....got in a rainstorm and quickly built up about 6-9 inches of mud on the tires...no traction at all and we were slipping all over, including almost off the edge of a very high piece of fill for the road bed....pretty scary.....we were able to limp to better surface where I used an ice ax (was hiking earlier in the Winds) to scrape off the gunk...what a mess!....we celebrated our survival by getting ice cream at Little America!

[mkcurran]

Come by my neighbor in the Silver Springs area? It's about 30 minutes east of Kingman.

[Happy in Wyoming]

Originally Posted by azdr0710

oh man, I do know what you mean about that SW Wyo mud....bentonite clay is it????.....we were once driving the narrow old railroad bed of the original transcon. line SE of Evanston....got in a rainstorm and quickly built up about 6-9 inches of mud on the tires...no traction at all and we were slipping all over, including almost off the edge of a very high piece of fill for the road bed....pretty scary.....we were able to limp to better surface where I used an ice ax (was hiking earlier in the Winds) to scrape off the gunk...what a mess!....we celebrated our survival by getting ice cream at Little America!

It is bentonite. Bentonite makes great kitty litter. It sticks together when saturated. But what makes it wonderful kitty litter makes it horrible for roads. But if it's a dirt road, you drive on what's there; and unlike kitty litter, it's not ground up. It's one big glob of goo. I once drove on an uphill road south of Evanston. In a 3/4 ton 4WD with the steering wheel turned all the way to the right, I was pointed 30 degrees to the left. Luckily my direction of travel was stright ahead; but I wonder how I went around some curves. The tire tread was far below the surface of the mud. Why didn't I turn around? Because I was headed out. There would have been no way to turn around anyway. It was a truly wretched experience.

But it's a small price to pay for living in the kitty litter capital of the world. Wyoming really is. I saw a sign once (I don't remember where, probably at some bentonite processing facility) proclaiming the fact

[ckzona]

Yeh, Arizona's roads do not sound as bad as the ones in wyoming, but in Az once the dryer dirt roads get soaking wet God Bless you and i wish you luck. That stuff turns to quicksand and even with 4x4 its tough.

[NW Crow]

I remembered another place. If you want remote, "independent-minded" and not too hot, you might check into Young AZ, east of Payson. At 5,000 feet. Mud likely an issue at times, but there is usually something. Same with wind. Septic system rules could also be an issue if you wanted to build new. But generally it matches your criteria pretty well.

https://www.city-data.com/city/Young-Arizona.html
http://youngaz85554.tripod.com/

[ckzona]

Those areas from about 4500- 6000ft are the areas that have probably everything you want. The weather is a mild 4 seasons, land is cheaper, and the pinyon pine forests are rather beautiful and don't dry up to bad.

[esoles]

There definitely are parcels in northern AZ that meet your criteria. We have a 40 acre parcel just off I-40 about 40 miles west of Flagstaff - camping up there you can spend days w/o seeing anyone.
It was going to be a family retreat but it's not looking that way anymore. If you want to inquire about it or see some pictures let me know.

[crazyme4878]

Originally Posted by NW Crow

I remembered another place. If you want remote, "independent-minded" and not too hot, you might check into Young AZ, east of Payson. At 5,000 feet. Mud likely an issue at times, but there is usually something. Same with wind. Septic system rules could also be an issue if you wanted to build new. But generally it matches your criteria pretty well.

https://www.city-data.com/city/Young-Arizona.html
Young AZ - Arizona's Best Kept Secret

Mud isn't really an issue. They are cracking down on building codes around here now. Unfortunately, that wasn't true is years past, so existing homes all have something(s) wrong with them. If you want to add on to an existing place, they will make you upgrade the existing building to code as well.

Very independent mindset, yet very community-orientated. There are a couple of outlaying "communities" that are even more independent, but you need high clearance vehicle to get to them. Usually the temps are in the low 90s in the summer. We get snow sometimes in the winter. The valley is juniper-grassland, but surrounded by pondersoa pines. Plenty of water, including year-round creeks.

[Zonie5]

check out Ash Fork at 5100ft. right off on I-40

[mike b 1]

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