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In case you are unaware, the land beneath the Glenn HWY Between Eagle RIver and Anchorage is owned by the DOD.
Yep, most of that land is mostly unused and they can do the same training west of the glenn. As far as im concerned JBER could be drasticly down sized and still meet its air mission. We dont need the army here at all other than people to defend the air fields. The military also drives up rental pricess for everyone else with BAH. The only buisness they really support is tikatnu and north muldoon and enough people go to tikatnu that they would be ok even if they slashed base personel by 50%.
We have not needed the army here ... well really ever. All we do is scramble jets.
Really? Do you honestly beleive that 36 TRILLION cubic feet+ will be extracted in less than 30 years?
I know it will, I work in the industry. It is a compressible fluid and will come out of the ground much easier than the oil did. Depending on what pressures they run the line at or espeically if they liquify it it will go really fast. I like to work in lbm/hr, cubic feet is all based on pressure and temperature.
The gas line will never happen because everyone wants a cherry out of the pie even though they dont have the resume to even get a pit of a cherry. Your either an oil producer or your on the perifery, when everyone on the perifery has their hand in the cookie jar then everything tanks.
Just like with the miliary, your either a pilot, mechanic/engineer, speical forces, controler (and a few mps/guards) or your taking up space as a whipping boy/cannon fauder. The military likes its whipping boys but we the tax payers are tied of paying their BAH.
Yep, most of that land is mostly unused and they can do the same training west of the glenn. As far as im concerned JBER could be drasticly down sized and still meet its air mission. We dont need the army here at all other than people to defend the air fields. The military also drives up rental pricess for everyone else with BAH. The only buisness they really support is tikatnu and north muldoon and enough people go to tikatnu that they would be ok even if they slashed base personel by 50%.
We have not needed the army here ... well really ever. All we do is scramble jets.
Or fight off invaders such as the Japanese did during WWII, the battle for the Aluetians was the second greatest loss of life in WWII.
I know it will, I work in the industry. It is a compressible fluid and will come out of the ground much easier than the oil did. Depending on what pressures they run the line at or espeically if they liquify it it will go really fast. I like to work in lbm/hr, cubic feet is all based on pressure and temperature.
How long would it take to build the facilities to compress that gas, how long to build the line and what diameter will the piping be? No one has those answers because it is constantly up for debate, as for it never being built, I would NEVER bet against it being built, it will happen.
Or fight off invaders such as the Japanese did during WWII, the battle for the Aluetians was the second greatest loss of life in WWII.
WW2 was a draftee war. That was a different deal from just having a bunch of whipping boys loitering around base waiting to be deployed to a "war" that is a waste of money. In the mean time they are running up the cost of rent with their BAH and wasting tax payer money. the military is getting smart and laying off mid range officers and enlisted to avoid having a huge glut of retirees on full pensions that will become an unfunded liability. This nation was never founded to have a massive standing army. When you have a standing army you have to justify it by having constant wars.
We need to maintain technical expertise in the miltiary for certian things (people who maintain complex equipment like F22s, contractors and military who develop next generation weapons, testing, etc) but if we ever had WW3 we can draft rank and file trigger pullers.
How long would it take to build the facilities to compress that gas, how long to build the line and what diameter will the piping be? No one has those answers because it is constantly up for debate, as for it never being built, I would NEVER bet against it being built, it will happen.
Facilities would be designed and build in the lower 48 and shipped up as modules. The pressure and diameter is inconsequential. The diameter and pressure will be a cost analysis based on the contract they can secure with buyers and how much gas they want per period of time.
The REAL issue is TOO MANY useless people have their hands in the cookie jar (namly politicians). they all want a big cut just because they exist and the oil companies are not on board. Also alaska is not the most stable place tax wise these days. Just the fact that some guy can stand outside of carrs with a clip board to get massive tax changes on teh ballot is inherently unstable buisness climate. If voters reverse SB21 this year that will be a disaster. It does not help that our fed govt is totally out of control with spending and they are already taking a ton off the top on taxes of oil.
There are studies being done to liquify gas and pump it down the existing oil line once the oil flow reaches a critical point. they could modularize the liquifaction process so that they could take it with them when the gas is gone and not have a massive pipe line as a huge sunk cost.
If the property values are slashed significantly as I suggested it would open up a whole new market for potential new business. Also it would take the strain off of families that are paying out the rear for a decent place in anchorage (regular counter tops with a 2 car garage in the MIDDLE of a nice area). This would free up money in the local economy to support new buisness, investment, etc.
Have you considered what this will do to the tax base? Would these people be able to afford the additional taxes that would surely be implemented, sales tax, increased fuel tax, income tax? Did you forget what I said about the property tax structure - MILL rate cap and the resulting property assements skyrocketing?
When everyone who does not want to endure the horrid commute to the valley is house poor or living in the ghetto its not good for anyone but the hand full of 1960's land owners in Anchorage and I dont think the state should care about their opinions because the overall state economy is more important than the interests of land owners trying to keep the real estate market captive.
We are pretty much a single industry state but it does not have to stay that way. No one in their right mind would invest up here with the captive market in Anchorage but with the huge tracts of land in pt mackinzie the sky is the limit once its tied to the anchorage market.
There is a commercial fishing industry, tourism, and mining, also one of the busiest transpostation hubs on the globe.
If we dont diversify our economy and the oil producers start conditioning, liquifying and producing the gas then we have about 10 years max left and the show is over.
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I talked to the bridge authority and the bonds would be supported by private investors in combination with the state once everything is approved and construction begins. It is in the states best interest to diversify Alaskas south central economy. I suspect existing land owners in Anchorage will not support it but this state can not continue to afford to live in the past unless we want to totally colapse to pre 1950's with no hope of recovery once the gas cap is sold off and the north slope becomes a penny anty opperation by small time operators producing less than a quarter of todays volume, which would not have enough thermal mass to even operate in the winter so would likely be a summer time operation only unless they added heaters to each pump station.
People forget that this place was a baren waste land before oil and it can go back to that, you think a 40-50% slash in home values is bad, try 90% when TAPs is nothing more than a novelty.
Many would like to see that happen, that is what lured a significant % to the state in the first place. Those who it affects negatively will leave, that is what people do. You also have to factor in that the State only owns roughly 1/3 of the "state", native interests own another third, and the FEDS the remaining third. Ponder the ramifications of that.
The native interests will continue to exploit resources on their lands (=economy). The FEDS will reduce oversight and enforcement, allowing for a more "mavericks and scofflaws" to take advantage (=poaching, hunting, fishing, mineral extraction, drug grow and manufacture, etc.)= blackmarket economy. Just a few examples that come immediately to mind.
Traffic will be reduced, opportunity to put a moose in the freezer will increase, combat fishing will cease. These are a few positives that jump right out.
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I guess commuter rail is ok but then you have to own 2 vehicals, one to commute to the rail way (will there be a secured lot for a nominal fee?) and another vehical on the anchorage end (again will the rail road maintain a secured lot?). My guess is the traffic would be horrid from the rail yard into town. There is very little space for parking down by the rail road yard and port.
Perhaps the rail road would have a shuttle to a big parking area (again secured?). The problem is while the valley is cheapER its still not cheap enough for me to gamble on the rail road maintaining such a program, what if its not profitiable enoguh for them and they shut it down, now im stuck with a mortgage and a horrid commute that I never wanted.
Another option is if our national representitives petitioned congress to force JBER to give up ALL their land in arctic valley east of the glenn, then a parallel highway could be build on the pipeline road and tie into basher area to decongest the eagle river traffic. Also all that wasted military land could be opened for development and bring housing costs down for everyone.
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As soon as a gas line is built we have about 10 years left, the gas will go alot more quickly than the oil did and then it will be all over. I wont need to whine about housing in anchorage becasue there will be no anchorage like we know it today and I will be gone. So if you think the gas line is the answer I suggest you start getting your kids prepared to leave the state when they are in their mid 20s.
I frankly dont care one way or another, if the state cant pull its head out of its rear, I wont buy unless I feel its a good deal in my own mind, otherwise I will rent and put money away to leave some day. As it stands now the 1960's land owners hold all the cards as far as real estate so I will just extract money from oil and gas and go once it drys up. You call it whining I call it buisness. Im not going to buy an over priced basket of goods.
There will always be real estate speculators, it paid off pretty well for the 1960's anchorage land owners dident it? I am not worried about the pt makinzie land owners making a few bucks I would like to see south central diversify its economy and remove the choke hold on anchorage real estate. Out ragious real estate prices are not good for anyone but a hand full of people. The state has to think about the future, once the gas starts to go that is the beginning of the end.
Further, Alaska is of great strategic import with respect to North America and Globaly, I cannot believe that the DOD would eliminate the Army from Ft. Richardson. The Air Force cannot provide the resistance against invaders in the manner that an army is capable of.
Considering the provacative actions of North Korea and the threat of China (real or perceived) on the economic front and desire for resources, the rapid advancements in military technology and sabre rattling, the military in Alaska is here to stay.
Facilities would be designed and build in the lower 48 and shipped up as modules. The pressure and diameter is inconsequential. The diameter and pressure will be a cost analysis based on the contract they can secure with buyers and how much gas they want per period of time.
The REAL issue is TOO MANY useless people have their hands in the cookie jar (namly politicians). they all want a big cut just because they exist and the oil companies are not on board. Also alaska is not the most stable place tax wise these days. Just the fact that some guy can stand outside of carrs with a clip board to get massive tax changes on teh ballot is inherently unstable buisness climate. If voters reverse SB21 this year that will be a disaster. It does not help that our fed govt is totally out of control with spending and they are already taking a ton off the top on taxes of oil.
There are studies being done to liquify gas and pump it down the existing oil line once the oil flow reaches a critical point. they could modularize the liquifaction process so that they could take it with them when the gas is gone and not have a massive pipe line as a huge sunk cost.
How else are "the people" supposed to get issues on the ballot if not by referendum? This is a democratic republic, after all.
RANT on!
Yes, unfortunately politicians across the board are irresponsible, incompetent, corrupt, greedy and self serving, and too many constituents are illinformed, ignorant, stupid and greedy. When "<those people" stop relecting "^those politicians" and do something for this country, and state to move them forward the chaos and decline will continue.
RANT off!
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