10-16-2009, 12:32 PM
Location: Alaska & Florida
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Floyd_Davidson
How would you know what either of us are even talking about?
Because this a public forum and I can see everything you and any other member writes + you quoted him/her + I read your response.
Your argument seems to be...since there are glaciers in the -48's, there is little value on coming to Alaska to see them.
Would you say the same about Nepal? There are mountains in every country, so why would you travel all the way to Nepal just to see Mt. Everest, another mountain just bigger...
I don't see how we are actually having a debate about whether or not people have different interests and therefore value activities differently.
Pretend we are in the first grade: Joe and Sally go to Walmart to buy printer paper. There are two brands, HP and Walmart. They both cost $5 a bundle. HP's bundle has 500 sheets, while Walmart's has 1000 sheets. You are saying, someone has the ability to dictate which brand will hold more value for Joe and Sally. I'm saying, it depends on each person. One might want higher quality paper, while the other might want scratch paper. Do you understand that not everyone values everything the same! lol
Anyways, we're going in circles, if we can't find any common ground, let's just agree to disagree
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10-16-2009, 12:55 PM
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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Jonotastic
Because this a public forum and I can see everything you and any other member writes + you quoted him/her + I read your response.
That doesn't answer the question. How can
you know what we are talking about (in the context of your statement that I don't understand what he is saying). His experience and mine do happen to be similar in many ways, and we probably understand each other's points to several orders of magnitude more precisely than your experience allows you to.
I wouldn't even begin to question your knowledge of Florida, for example... because I have absolutely no standing, no expertize, and equally don't have the unmitigated gall!
As I've noted, the problem a resource limited visitor to Alaska has is making up a priority list based on perspective and facts. Indeed, reasonable discussion of this topic also requires a great deal of perspective as well as facts. You appear to be a resource limited commentator...
10-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Location: Alaska & Florida
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I was born in Alaska and have spent more than half of my life there. I really don't want to get into a debate where it's well I lived 30 years here and you lived 15 years here, so my opinion is worth more. The time I lived in San Francisco, I knew more in and around that city than many locals I met because I was constantly traveling and exploring. While the length of your residency matters to a degree, it doesn't mean your opinion does or doesn't matter, but once again, I've spent more than half of my life in Alaska.
10-16-2009, 01:08 PM
Location: Valdez, Alaska
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As I've noted, the problem a resource limited visitor to Alaska has is making up a priority list based on perspective and facts.
And their own ****ing interests!
Some people don't care even a tiny bit about walrus hunting! Really, it's true!
10-16-2009, 01:09 PM
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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I was born in Alaska and have spent more than half of my life there.
And as I pointed out earlier, Alaska is a huge place and it makes no difference how long one has lived in only one part. If you don't have experience (as an adult too, not as a child growing up) with virtually all of Alaska, then it just is not rational to think you have the necessary perspective to make comparisons.
Regardless of that, you don't seem to be able or even want to attempt a logical discussion of the details that have been posted; instead it's just this personal crap "you don't understand".
Get used to it, I
do understand, and can discuss it in detail until the cows come home. Even with people who haven't yet given it much thought and need a push... :-)
10-16-2009, 01:12 PM
Location: Alaska & Florida
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And as I pointed out earlier, Alaska is a huge place and it makes no difference how long one has lived in only one part. If you don't have experience (as an adult too, not as a child growing up) with virtually all of Alaska, then it just is not rational to think you have the necessary perspective to make comparisons.do understand, and can discuss it in detail until the cows come home. Even with people who haven't yet given it much thought and need a push... :-)
Keep thinking that if it gets you by
10-16-2009, 01:27 PM
Location: Alaska & Florida
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And their own ****ing interests!
Some people don't care even a tiny bit about walrus hunting! Really, it's true!
lol.
I'm one of them, I would never want to witness a beautiful animal such as a Walrus or a Whale being killed and gutted, but I guess by the time I'm 60, I'll come to my senses and realize that anyone who doesn't find this act a magical experience has obviously no knowledge about Alaska...sigh...maybe someday...I thought I enjoyed climbing on a glacier, I think it was a valuable experience, but who am I to say how I felt...
10-16-2009, 01:28 PM
Location: Charlotte, NC
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So many great posts that I can't rep the posters because of other great posts they've made in this thread. It would seem that the OP has the time and resources to do what he fancies & y'all have given him some great options. Floyd have you ever played well with others?
10-16-2009, 01:34 PM
Location: AK
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lol.
well, i find caribou and moose beautiful. and tasty.
i'd even eat a supermodel if it meant survival. once you start valuing animals more for aesthetic beauty over food, you're well on your way to joining PETA and crying at bambi...
10-16-2009, 01:44 PM
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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well, i find caribou and moose beautiful. and tasty.
[sarcasm=on]
Oh goodness, you need to learn to eat only chicken and beef and pigs and other things that are ugly at the time they are manufactured in the back room of the grocery store and never have to die or feel pain just so you can eat... [/sarcasm]
Por favor, amigo. Pass the maktaq!
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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