Newsom eradicating sales of new gas powered cars by 2035 (Los Angeles: yard, automobile)

[vincenze]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Which major manufacturer even makes a non-CA emissions equipped vehicle anymore and/or hasn't for the last couple decades? It's not like new model Honda Accords come in two versions, a 49-state version and the CA model. As I said earlier, that ship sailed a long time ago and anything new-ish is going to be 50-state emission as default, especially since more states have or are about to adopt the higher standard anyway.

A new ship sailed in.

In 2 years, 35% of Jeeps and Hondas must be zero-emission or hybrid models. In 5 years, 51%.

That's why Jeep sells hybrid Wranglers in California and regular Wranglers in other states.

[joosoon]

But that's not two distinct sets of different emissions equipment on the same exact model vehicle like in the old days. That doesn't exist anymore. Hasn't for a long time. My daily driver is almost eighteen years old, original delivery was to Florida, was an auction car at some point, ended here/mine, has 50 state emissions. That's been the norm for a long time. I was addressing your comment about lack of that emission sticker. Retroactively, very few vehicles fall into that category and even those can be sent to the referee.


I understand what you're saying about moving forward, but the percentage of zev is and has been a phased in process for some time now. I assume most people know that but maybe not.


eta: And you can still buy a non-hybrid 2023 Wrangler in California.

[vincenze]

Originally Posted by joosoon

eta: And you can still buy a non-hybrid 2023 Wrangler in California.

Stupid government.

It tells Jeep that 30-50% of the sold cars must be electric. But how will Jeep enforce this rule if customers won't buy electric Jeeps?

If You Like Your Jeep, You soon won’t be able to buy one, thanks to California’s EV mandate.

California’s ban on new gas-powered cars doesn’t take effect until 2035, but its harmful effects are already appearing. Chrysler-parent Stellantis plans to reduce shipments of gas-powered cars to states that have adopted California’s emissions rules. Stellantis recently warned auto dealers that “we may be compelled to allocate fewer conventional gasoline engine vehicles to California states,” including New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maine, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Washington, Oregon, New Jersey, Maryland, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, Virginia and New Mexico.

“In some circumstances, we may be compelled to allocate more electrified powertrain vehicles to California states” to “comply with the more stringent standards being enforced in the California States,” the Stellantis memo says. A Delaware dealer told the Delaware Business Times that Stellantis said he won’t receive regular shipments of popular Jeep gas-powered models because his state has adopted California’s emissions standards. But Stellantis will make available electric SUV models that are $20,000 more expensive…As other auto makers follow, the invariable result will be shortages of gas-powered cars and higher prices in California and copy-cat states.

Americans could buy gas-powered cars in other states—until they disappear everywhere because of the Biden Administration’s de facto EV mandate.”

Stellantis announced that it has halted the shipment of vehicles solely powered by internal combustion engines (ICE) to 14 American states that adhere to the more stringent emissions regulations established by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

Customers there can still get internal combustion vehicles, but Stellantis will only send them to those states (which include California, New York, Pennsylvania, and others) if an order has been made. No longer will customers be able to pick them out of a dealer’s inventory.

[The_Sim_Mister]

Originally Posted by vincenze

Stupid government.

It tells Jeep that 30-50% of the sold cars must be electric. But how will Jeep enforce this rule if customers won't buy electric Jeeps?

There is a current pending lawsuit so it might soon be irrelevant what California adapted.

[joosoon]

What lawsuit?
Also, it's really too early to tell how this will pan out by 2035. The "mandate" is fairly loose. CARB's rule-making is too. Besides that, those rules aren't immutable and there's literally a dozen more legislative sessions to come before any actual laws are drafted. On top of that, the tech is dynamic and evolving at fairly quick pace. There's a lot of variables at work here.


And I'll reiterate this: Commuter vehicles are one thing, but the 2045 mandate is more lofty.

[The_Sim_Mister]

Originally Posted by joosoon

What lawsuit?
Also, it's really too early to tell how this will pan out by 2035. The "mandate" is fairly loose. CARB's rule-making is too. Besides that, those rules aren't immutable and there's literally a dozen more legislative sessions to come before any actual laws are drafted. On top of that, the tech is dynamic and evolving at fairly quick pace. There's a lot of variables at work here.


And I'll reiterate this: Commuter vehicles are one thing, but the 2045 mandate is more lofty.

https://www.teslarati.com/california...suit-17-states this is the lawsuit

[Soujouner]

Here is a take by someone who knows what they’re talking about.

https://youtu.be/8P95NFlAnmY?si=dW7PH1hDC06fX3R_

[Dwatted Wabbit]

Originally Posted by mgforshort

Gavin Newsom signs order banning sales of gas-powered cars in California by 2035
BY LARA KORTE
SEPTEMBER 23, 2020 10:32 AM , UPDATED 5 MINUTES AGO

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday issued an executive order requiring the sale of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035, a move the governor says would achieve a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, improve air quality, and move the state further away from relying on climate change-causing fossil fuels.

I don't know where he gets the authority to control vehicle sales in the state. If one governor has that power, what's the point of the legislature?

As is always the case, these geniuses will suffer NO consequences for their folly. Let the market decide. There is nowhere near the infrastructure to support this, nor is there the market for these wunerkars.

[V8 Vega]

In the automotive forum here there currently is a thread Would You Ever Buy A Electric Car? Its at 72 pages and probably 95% say no passionatly.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Dwatted Wabbit

I don't know where he gets the authority to control vehicle sales in the state.

The same authority that the governors of eight other states get it.

9 States Now Plan to Ban Gas-Powered Car Sales:
https://money.com/states-banning-gas...20model%20year.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/s...-powered-cars/