10-16-2019, 08:24 PM
Location: 89434
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thrillobyte
Thank God for Howard Jarvis and Prop 13. My parents bought their house in 1972 and in 1978 their taxes were frozen to $1000. They've paid $1000 every year since then and I will inherit the house (current value about 1 million) and file a parent-to-child exemption to keep them $1000. Saint Howard saved our family roughly a quarter million dollars in property taxes over the decades.
Too bad 50-60 percent of Californians support overturning it because they think it will bring extra revenue to the state.
10-16-2019, 10:01 PM
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CA4Now
That's amazing that they've lived in the same home for nearly 50 years and they've never had to do a major upgrade or remodel.
They couldn't. They had no room to expand.
10-16-2019, 10:18 PM
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JJonesIII
Telling you to read the comment in its entirety is sarcasm? Sure thing lady.
A lot of people are having a misunderstanding about my parents having lived in the same home for 5 decades with no remodel or pulling a permit. In fact, just putting in a new water heater or HVAC requires pulling a permit but doesn't trigger a reassessment. In fact one could do an entire kitchen remodel without triggering a reassessment as long as the square footage of the kitchen didn't change (they did not do a kitchen remodel--same cabinets and formica countertops).
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Kitchen renovations are more of a gray area, Kapp said. “If they’re replacing countertops and not extending them, it would probably not [trigger a reassessment],” Kapp said. “If they add additional cabinets or move a wall, for example, that would trigger reassessment,” even if the square footage remains the same.
This might better explain than I could:
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But what constitutes “new construction” and how much will the taxes go up?Any substantial addition to land or improvements, including fixtures.
Any physical alteration of any improvement, or a portion thereof, to a “like-new” condition, or to extend its economic life, or to change the way in which the improvement, or portion thereof, is used.
Any substantial physical alteration of land which constitutes a major rehabilitation of the land or changes the manner in which it is used.
Any substantial physical rehabilitation, renovation or modernization of any fixture that converts it to the substantial equivalent of a new fixture or any substitution of a new fixture.
https://www.hjta.org/news-events/tax...y-taxes-go-up/
10-17-2019, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by
thrillobyte
A lot of people are having a misunderstanding about my parents having lived in the same home for 5 decades with no remodel or pulling a permit.
Yep. Admittedly, I just think it's a silly comment since only about 30% of homes tend to go through some sort of major upgrade or remodel (so clearly not that surprising in your parents case).
The majority of homes in Northern CA don't even have HVACs for example.
The homes in my neighborhood were all built in the early 60's so similar to your parents. Major upgrades and remodels are not necessities but things done by choice. Most people can maintain a house without doing them (and most owners in my neighborhood have done just that). Although a permit will not necessarily trigger a new assessment, it is a way to flag additions on work being done to a house (then they would go through the checklist you listed to see if a re-assessment should be done). With that said, maintaining a house to a large extent wouldn't even trigger that so there would be no chance on an assessment (which was my point). We've replaced appliances, had one roof job, had the house painted inside and out, changed out some lighting fixtures, had a toilet installed, and replaced carpet. We're good with our bathrooms and kitchen, and have the original furnace. We have hedges in the front of our house and no back yard (typical house in our neck of the woods). We've never had any type of reassessment, nor have the neighbors. But as you stated, there are even some things that people would consider more major (refreshing of a kitchen for example) that would not trigger a reassessment. But some like to crow about this like it's commonplace, and it's simply not.
10-18-2019, 09:22 AM
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CA4Now
Try cutting back your constant, belittling sarcasm to make your points.
It is not unusual to find unmolested homes here in the Bay Area...
Each home I bought was original... starting with the 1922 Craftsman Bungalow of 1000 square feet... all the fixtures, windows, etc... all 1922... heck, even the wiring with one outlet in each room was knob and tube with a two fuse box... a 20 amp for outlets and a 15 for lights... thing is it is still this way today... electric never upgraded.
The home I bought in 2003 was all 1957 except the windows had been changed... all 1957 fixtures and even lino in the kitchen...
Parents home is all 1958... nothing changed except a over stove microwave...
I guess the common thread is all these homes are held be long term owners...
Where I live now... all my neighbors built in the 1950's and never moved... except for the foreclosure next door... and that was built about 15 or so years ago...
If it is clean and working as intended no reason to spend good money catching a trend that will be obsolete by the time you are done...
On my 1922 Bungalow... my friends were all ready for a Demo party... I had no money and spent nights and weekends cleaning/repairing what I had... new sash cords in the original wood double hung windows... etc...
When I sold I got the highest price in the neighborhood and the people that bought were in love with the 1920's... right down to the original high leg stove original to the house.
As to the 2%... as others have mentioned it has nothing to do with taxes paid... as taxes paid are 1% of assessed value plus voter approved assessments...
2% is the max annual inflation cap as to how much the assessed value can increase...
10-18-2019, 09:26 AM
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ikoolu
And you better never pull a permit or your head will explode when get your new tax bill
Depends... I have pulled permits for 240 volt electric service, replace roof or replace water heater and none triggered reassessment... they were often called maintenance permits...
Adding Square Footage is a big ticket when it comes to triggering reassessment... next could be the luxury Kitchen make over...
10-18-2019, 09:29 AM
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ikoolu
any permit can trigger review of property tax i added a shop cost only 23k i had the receipts and when the new assessment they added 50 to my assessment- i appealed went to the meeting had the receipts and was denied - they said its not based on cost but worth - they just added as sq even though it was a shop =they will f you anyway and everyday
Friends moved near Tyler Texas on 160 raw acres... built a beautiful home, barn, out buildings, etc... no permit needed or required...
He said things have changed a little and now septic requires a permit...
Amazing how that goes.
10-18-2019, 09:30 AM
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Kevroqs
Too bad 50-60 percent of Californians support overturning it because they think it will bring extra revenue to the state.
Or they think taxes will go down
10-18-2019, 09:50 AM
Location: San Diego CA
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Prop 13 example. Cousin bought a one story app 1600 sq ft home in Saratoga CA. Built in the 50’s. Purchased early 70’s for under 200k. Current retail app 2 million. Property tax app 1300 per year.
10-18-2019, 12:47 PM
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Santa Clara is similar... Godparents bought a new home in 1959 for just under 20k...
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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