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There is this idea afoot, that stockpiling food and guns is what everyone should do, if they wish to survive a long-term crisis. While it would be better for this country if more people did that, there are four groups of people who might be less likely to survive, no matter what they stockpile:
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
There is a growing contingent who are living more independent of petroleum for their transportation.
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... 2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Do not expect raiders / looters to last very long.
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... 3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
I know a great many liberal 'tree-huggers' who are rural focuses on self-sufficiency and preparedness.
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... 4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
Can you think of any more vulnerable groups of people?
There is a growing contingent who are living more independent of petroleum for their transportation.
Yes, I agree. But if they can't walk at all due to obesity or other physical problem, getting a ride in a Prius is not always a dependable option. Probably, such people cannot ride bikes, either. Plans for moving them need to be made now, not at the 11th hour. Most motor vehicles still run on gas.
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Do not expect raiders / looters to last very long.
I do not expect them at all up our way. But most people don't live up our way, and this is a concern.
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I know a great many liberal 'tree-huggers' who are rural focuses on self-sufficiency and preparedness.
That's great, if they are aware and not living in la-la land!
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Children are our future.
They tend to be resilient.
As a grandfather of 6, I am well aware of who our future belongs to. But if things get dangerous, they need to be receptive to what their parents instruct them to do. The parents should have the final say, in good times or bad. The kids may be very resilient, but the spoiled ones will need to learn to obey quickly, or they could find themselves in a dangerous position. Children don't have good judgement. That's their parents' job.
The key would be surviving the first few weeks/months. Within 2-3 years society will have adapted to whatever the new normal is & people would learn how to thrive in it.
It would be the first 4-16 weeks when you'd have looting & lawlessness in a breakdown scenario.
That's because they don't fall into one of the 4 high risk groups...which is what this thread is about. Where did you get the idea that it was about race, religion, or sexual preference?
Oh, maybe your first post.
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Or is everything to you, about race, religion, and sexual preference???
Not to me. But the way you lump the following groups together as people who will die and especially their derogatory descriptions
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
make you sound as if you really don't like them very much. And it's been my experience that people who don't like the above mentioned people also don't like anyone who's a different race, religion, or sexual orientation.
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But the way you lump the following groups together as people who will die and [I
especially[/i] their derogatory descriptions......make you sound as if you really don't like them very much. And it's been my experience that people who don't like the above mentioned people also don't like anyone who's a different race, religion, or sexual orientation.
The descriptions are meant to point out why such people will be especially in danger in a long-term crisis. Sure, I could have written about them in glowing terms, but that isn't going to explain why such people could be in damger. It has nothing to do with whether I "like" them or not....I don't even know most of them.
I think what has "been your experience" is that you think you have the right to call everybody out for not being PC. When lives are on the line, I am not PC.
I disagree about tree huggers. They use less electricity
, won't miss it as much when it's gone. Might even have solar power. Avoid driving when not necessary, so they walk more. They'll be able to walk to safety, less inconvenienced when there is no gasoline. More likely to know about wild plants, which are safe to eat.
The descriptions are meant to point out why such people will be especially in danger in a long-term crisis. Sure, I could have written about them in glowing terms, but that isn't going to explain why such people could be in damger. It has nothing to do with whether I "like" them or not....I don't even know most of them.
I think what has "been your experience" is that you think you have the right to call everybody out for not being PC. When lives are on the line, I am not PC.
I don't care if you're PC or not. Let's go over this a bit:
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
This one I could agree with. Although I know a lot of people who are disabled who could outsurvive a lot of others, since their whole life is about surviving already. Survival is, first of all, a mindset, as you said.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why:Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
In this one you are linking alcoholics and drug addicts with people who are actually surviving better than those who have more money. You seriously think that people who may be on welfare can't survive when the chips are down? You may want to consider that many of those people live out in rural areas where jobs are hard to find and are used to being self reliant. Even if those on welfare are in urban areas, survival is a matter of resourcefulness, not of money sometimes. Also consider that many of the people on welfare and food stamps are members of our military. Call it a hunch, but somehow, I think they're going to be all right, too.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
This whole post is a blanket description that insults everyone who isn't white, conservative, male, or didn't vote for Trump. By the way, Trump would be the first one to self destruct in a world shattering event that left him on his own.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
First off, any dog running loose any time can get hit by a car, trained or not. OK, we got that out of the way.
I don't like kids much myself and I certainly don't like the undisciplined ones. But let's face it, a child has to grow up with some independence and that means you can't rule them with an iron fist 24 hours a day. If a child is going to grow up and be able to make independent decisions, he has to get the experience of doing it while young. Yes, I think a lot of kids might die. But the curious and bold kids are going to have accidents as often as the undisciplined ones.
If that wasn't true, we'd see these undisciplined kids dying around us in droves already. And from the way you worded your description, it sounds like you sure want to see these undisciplined kids get theirs.
Your thread isn't controversial. It's the way you wrote it. You know, you can do the same post and not let your personal feelings come into it and not only would it sound better, you wouldn't be insulting half your readers.
I think there is a survival mentality. That doesn't refer specifically to people who are preoccupied with prepping and survival skills, either. Those things can certainly extend one's survival time, but instinctual survival mentality plays a big part in it.
There are people who don't have a week's worth of food, a bug out plan, or anything more deadly than a kitchen knife who can survive, and there are people with a bunker full of MREs and black guns who will self destruct.
^^ this here .
Like that other lady living with the Dom ( I swear you described my ex husband there) I too have lost everything multiple times and now live in a very large city . If the worst happens . I wont even bother with my car . I will get on my horse as my husband and last child at home will also , tether the rest of them to us and go they are already in a remote area. I am well able to hunt off my horse with a regular bow and arrow and can start a fire on my own ( was born on a ranch in Tx) .My husband was in both the Royal Dutch Army and Air Force and can make it through almost anything with nothing but a knife . To look at us we are very alternative and socialist. We have traveled lite though throughout the world . He can stay calm through really scary scenarios. He is one who thinks before he talks/acts ...anything , he thinks it out . He is a very quiet sort . We are not preppers at all .
Not to me. But the way you lump the following groups together as people who will die and especially their derogatory descriptions
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
make you sound as if you really don't like them very much. And it's been my experience that people who don't like the above mentioned people also don't like anyone who's a different race, religion, or sexual orientation.
So racists, atheists, and heterosexuals don't like:
the obese, diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired, welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates, Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers, urban liberals and women, undisciplined children ???
Your post reads like it is projecting a lot of hatred.
There is this idea afoot, that stockpiling food and guns is what everyone should do, if they wish to survive a long-term crisis. While it would be better for this country if more people did that, there are four groups of people who might be less likely to survive, no matter what they stockpile:
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
Can you think of any more vulnerable groups of people?
The isolated, chronically-inebriated, and mentally-ill...Oh yeah, and elderly people who think they're not "frail".
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