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Old 01-30-2013, 09:54 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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It went from 683 to 1507 in less than 4 years.

Who knows where she'll go. Where she stops nobody knows.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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With negative initial GDP for the 4th Q, persons using various strategies to make profits from stocks, etc. should be prepared for a correction. Buy put protection, buy some VIX, replace your stocks with options, etc.

10% down would be a normal every day correction, which would be healthy.
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Long term holders won't be affected by the next 10%-40% down.
They can come back in 5 years and see what their stocks are worth.

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Old 01-30-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: The Woodlands
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Who knows where she'll go. Where she stops nobody knows.
wise words!
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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Long term holders won't be affected by the next 10%-40% down.
They can come back in 5 years and see what their stocks are worth.
Up or down, its all good with me. I just buy buy buy buy and never sell sell sell.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Everytime I see comparisons from '09 in the equity market I just think of all the people who sold low and didn't buy back in (missing the rally)
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:36 PM
 
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Everytime I see comparisons from '09 in the equity market I just think of all the people who sold low and didn't buy back in (missing the rally)
Yes, thats sad man. I think its a mind game. Like last year people was shocked to see 1300 around this time. Now shock to see 1500.

I think of it like this: I am buying at the same spot the market was in 2007.

Keep the asset allocation as planned and let it roll.

But I am tempted to pull trigger on this Apple.
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Old 01-30-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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The s&p 500 index includes no dividends . They account for 1/3 of the overall growth and are not even calculated in the index. Samething with the dow.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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Up or down, its all good with me. I just buy buy buy buy and never sell sell sell.
Really? The Nikkei has been falling since 1989, what if that happens to the SP500?
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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Really? The Nikkei has been falling since 1989, what if that happens to the SP500?
The SP500 contains top companies that make money and produce a profit. If these 500 stop producing a profit we are all screwed. I don't retire til 30 years from now. I am buying buying buying and never selling selling selling. market goes to 555 tommorow, I do nothing different. keep on buying buying buying and never selling selling selling.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Depending on how many different professional opinions you hear every day, bear or bull, there is a wide range of estimates for S&P earnings.
What those earnings are, and what P/E the market is willing to give to those earnings, creates wide targets for the S&P.
Example:
If earnings are $105.00 then with a multiple of 12 you get a 1260 which is down 16%.
If a 14 multiple then 1470 or basically flat.

Look at this chart and how high or low the S&P could go, all depending on earnings between $98 (2012) and $112 (2013) and what multiple is justified, based on all the factors that affect the multiple.

S&P 500 Bottom-Up Operating Earnings Estimates And Analyst Index Price Estimates - Seeking Alpha
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