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I think quite a few folks have been desensitized to the climate/resource conversations over time and function on more of a "believe it when they see it" mentality. Clearly their perceived level of risk is low enough that they are happy to hop to greener pastures. Time will tell
Bingo. Unfortunately, far too many people are largely dismissive of what they consider lofty science (even with more and more real evidence by the day--we've broken 3 daily records for global average temperature just this week). And a lot of people don't quite grasp that higher temperatures will lead to more evaporation, as well.
It's not a matter of whether things getting worse climatologically at this point, but how much worse, and how many people will suffer because of stubbornness.
People tend to move to the "Sun Belt" for sunny weather mainly Florida and Texas and Arizona and California. California's has been losing population and has constant water woes. Florida I think doesn't has a water problem. Supposedly the Colorado River is producing less and less water from the snow pack thats huge problem for some of the western states because they heavily rely on it. It rained a lot in Southern California this winter season it restored some of lakes and reservoirs somewhat but not fully out of drought mode. The Great Lakes States have nice beaches and lakes , The UP is beautiful but arguably the weather is cold and gloomy most of the year and the economic opportunities limited in comparison to the rest of the United States.
Quality of life. The only people that live in those places are those that were born in those places. No one I have heard of that I deal with when it comes to moving likes winter.
Quality of life. The only people that live in those places are those that were born in those places. No one I have heard of that I deal with when it comes to moving likes winter.
There are a few of us oddballs out there.
I'm from the south, living in the north, and winter is one of the bigger draws to it. And yeah, there's an abundance of fresh water everywhere here.
Just thinking about 80+ degrees with a healthy dose of humidity makes me squirm. I miss some things about southern culture, not all, but moving back to that weather is a hard sell.
Quality of life. The only people that live in those places are those that were born in those places. No one I have heard of that I deal with when it comes to moving likes winter.
I do not think thats the case for Chicago or Columbus Ohio.
And yes while warm weather might be most people favorite it is not that odd for someone to like winter, especially compared to humid heat.
I do not think thats the case for Chicago or Columbus Ohio.
And yes while warm weather might be most people favorite it is not that odd for someone to like winter, especially compared to humid heat.
Chicago loses populaton (although it is gaining college grads, but it also tends to lose students from top universities) and mainly just draws people from the midwest. Most people from the West and the East leave Chicago after a bit, as do many from the South.
I moved to Nevada 26 years ago for my career and you couldn’t pay me to move back to Wisconsin. I love the mild 4 seasons and the beauty here plus no state income tax and crazy low property taxes.
People do not understand climate and confuse it with weather. We hear it all the time on this and other forums. Someone gets a snowstorm and runs their mouth about how climate warming is a fraud. People on the coastal areas are glad they are not in the desert where it is going to get hotter and dryer. People in the desert are glad they don't live near the coast where they will see rising sea level and larger hurricanes.
I have watched the ice storm belt creep north in the Midwest. It is slow, a county at a time, but forests that had managed to experience and survive snow now are broken and damaged by ice storms that they only rarely experienced in the past. Warmer air creeps north, creating ice instead of snow.
I live in the high desert, a "cold desert" in climate terms, and I absolutely know where my water comes from: a well 450+ feet deep. I am responsible for the pump and the associated electricity and delivery system. Everyone near me has the same situation. We conserve water.
We get 11 inches of rain a year. The snowpack in nearby mountains replenishes the surface water and the aquifer. There are conflicting projections on what climate change will do in the desert southwest. The most common idea is that the climate will get dryer and hotter. We get more rainfall in El Nino years and have had average or better rainfall the last two years and have benefited from the warming Pacific Ocean. That comes after a serious drought during El Nina years. Other parts of the country get less rainfall under the same El Nino circumstances. There is visual evidence in the Southwest of large rivers where we now see small streams or seasonally dry arroyos. I have seen some interesting research that in times long past, when there were similar climate changes, the desert areas were wet and forested. I am sure the climate is changing. I am not sure that the scientists and climatologists have it all figured out. It happens slowly and I don't expect to find out.
Many of these Rust Belt cities offer homes still for $150,000-$200,000. Ohio especially. But people aren't buying what they're selling. They want cheaper, but warmer as well.
I consider most of Ohio to be too mild without much of a winter anymore.
I consider most of Ohio to be too mild without much of a winter anymore.
Yep. The Lower Midwest, and the Mid-Atlantic Northeast are now the new "Upper South" climate-wise, and Southern New England is the new Mid-Atlantic.
And with those crazy heat indexes in the Deep South these days now going on for weeks, I won't be surprised if we see many more relocating due to "unbearable summers," as opposed to the traditionally lamented "unbearable winters."
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