Daylight Savings Time (companies, summer, working)

[Hebrews12]

Originally Posted by roodd279

We don't need it light at 10pm in the summer.

The latest sunset time here in Ohio is 846pm. Not sure where you live that it's 10pm. North Dakota, maybe? Northern Michigan? A few places, yep - but not most. But even with an 846 sunset - sunRISE is 6am. So, yep, a few folks commuting in the dark - but hardly the majority.



But let's push sunset back to 746pm. That means that everything you EVER do in your life - after work - without lights - is done by 746. Most folks get home from work at 5 or 6. Do you think 30% more daylight (from 2 hours to 3 hours) makes a difference in life? You bet. It's the difference between a round of golf and don't bother. It's the difference between a little league game to the end...and let's stop in the 5th inning, it's dark. It's the difference having time to hunt and fish - and NOT. I can't mow my lawn and do related tasks in 2 hours. But I can in three. And about a 1000 other things. I just don't get it. When do you "early to rise" folks play basketball with your kids in the driveway? Not before work, that's certain enough.


You get home from work at 3pm or something? For folks that work until 5 / arrive home at 6 - those three hours are of daylight are critical to Getting Things Done in the Summer that are Not Possible in Winter.



In Florida, Dallas, San Diego (8pm on the solstice) - by comparison, Ohio seems downright gifted. You want summer days to END at 7pm for those people? The difference between dark at 7 and dark at 8 - since ya get home at 7 - that's TWICE the amount of useful daylight - and you want to remove it from them so you don't drive to work in the dark. (Sunrise is already 540AM in those places - so not dark there either.)

Well, this is the Washington forum so...
States can make their own decisions.
Don't you have weekends to do things?

[Hemlock140]

Originally Posted by Hebrews12

Well, this is the Washington forum so...
States can make their own decisions.
Don't you have weekends to do things?

Actually not completely. States can opt out of daylight savings time, but cannot go to all-year daylight savings time. That's federal law, and it would have to be changed. For us, the problem is that we would want Oregon and California to do it at the same time, so when we cross the bridge into Oregon we don't change time zones.

[Hebrews12]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

States can opt out of daylight savings time, but cannot go to all-year daylight savings time. That's federal law, and it would have to be changed.

Yes, that is correct

[Hebrews12]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

For us, the problem is that we would want Oregon and California to do it at the same time, so when we cross the bridge into Oregon we don't change time zones.

Yeah, it probably helps to have those states on the same time. The fox article I linked to had this to say:

"There were also some concerns about other states on PST, including Oregon, California, Nevada, and North Idaho, about differing time zones. Sen. Padden argued that those states are also looking to pass similar legislation to get rid of Daylight Savings time."

[roodd279]

Hebrews - you're totally right of course, this is a Washington forum - a few threads going on around here about this, I wasn't really paying attention to the folder - but you're north of me, the problem is even less for you - yet you still see it as a problem...interesting...
You want to limit your kids to doing things IN SUMMER with you to two days a week?
But in a larger sense - kids or none - there is WINTER - meaning, none of those things are happening, not on weekends, not any time. When summer arrives - we have to get an entire year's worth of "outdoorsy" stuff in, in about 12 weeks - that's it. 16 if you're lucky. I don't want those precious weeks limited farther by being able to use just 2 of the 7 days.
Yes, kids will see "dark" in the early morning before school - for about 4 or 5 more weeks of school, when even the worst of places will see sunrise plenty early for the start of school. In the winter - it's dark at 630 no matter which way you do it - so no change there either.

[Deserterer]

Originally Posted by roodd279

Nope. Let's stick with DST. Early morning daylight helps very few people. After-work daylight helps that portion of the nation which can do nothing after work all winter because it's frozen tundra.
I need time to cut my lawn (not needed in winter, not possible before work) - and 1000 other things. Kids are off school in the summer - so that dads can bike, fish, run, swim, sport, build, repair - the list goes on - with them for as long as possible AFTER WORK - since before work - it is dang difficult to go hunting or get a round of golf in. For you people who love standard time - when do you Live your Life? The Morning Commute?
For a long - long - time we have managed to change the clock and no one whined. Much of Europe, South America, and other places ALSO change time - pretty sure they won't follow suit with a fixed time. No one there is whining.

Every plant, fungus, animal, bacterium and amoeba on earth lives by fixed time. Except a certain subset of one species that decided all the rest of that species should be different.

[Deserterer]

Originally Posted by Hebrews12

they work according to the sun, temperatures, morning dew etc.

Like every terrestrial species on earth

[CalWorth]

When I moved here, spouse & I were still working & it sucked to go to & from work in the dark. Kids were grown, but I wouldn't have wanted them going to & from school in the dark, either.

During the first couple of summers here, I was nearly manic having so many daylight hours after getting off work. It's awesome.

Now that we're retired, it's irrelevant. I think man-made working hours should be adjusted to accommodate those who have to be out in it, i.e. students & office slaves. There aren't many farmers anymore.

[Clark Fork Fantast]

Please, people. It's Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight "Savings" Time! You have a Daylight Savings account?
For the record, we're not thrilled about changing the clocks, either, but we love the long North Idaho summer evenings. I grew up in a place even further north, with summer solstice sunsets around 10 pm. We'd be in favor of making DST permanent. That would also help the winter afternoon gloom just a little bit. IMO.

[Deserterer]

Just pick one and stick with it. It's all artificial anyway. Split the difference, and set clocks halfway between ST and DST