Begging is now legal in Sequim?

[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by CalWorth

^^ Of course there have always been beggars, drunk & drugged street people, violent people, psychotic people. I have not lived in a bubble. Where I lived before & how I earned a living exposed me plenty to the sordid side of life.

The Olympic Peninsula has been behind with what has been going on in the rest of the country. It has been something of a closed society, a flawed bubble, I suppose because of the relative geographic isolation and that had its good & bad points, & the continuous, notorious low wages, which the low QOL, plus questionable side gigs helped offset.

It is not like that anymore. It is like anywhere else. Low income retirees need to know...QOL now is huge, medical care is sparse, property & rent is high, drugged out homeless people are everywhere, law enforcement is paltry.

I tend to agree. While I am not generally a liberal, I do think government is the only way out of these problems. A nation needs to have enough compassion to help people who are suffering. I am against welfare for those who just don’t care, I am for welfare for those that are trying.

[MechAndy]

I’m somewhat of a fiscal conservative liberal.
There are plenty of charity organizations than offer a hand up.
What we are seeing are people that don’t want the hand up they just want the free “fish” with no strings attached.
In other words what we are seeing are addicts that only want drug money.
If given half a chance most of these addicts will steal for it.

Ever notice how the really nice areas don’t have this problem?
The nice areas have police that do courtesy stops and and interviews of these people.
Surprisingly most of these people have warrants and are either taken in or invited to move on with the understanding that they are not welcome.

Is that a violation of their rights?
I more so see it as a grey zone where training and consistent policies can work to clean up areas.

Allowing addicts to wallow in their drug induced misery is not humane or Christian like.
These people need treatment.
A nudge in the right direction is better than no nudge at all.

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

Is that a violation of their rights?

What about the right of people they are harassing? The down town businesses they tend to park in front of discouraging people from shopping there?

I more so see it as a grey zone where training and consistent policies can work to clean up areas.

How has that worked out? Clean out an area of homeless and they will either move back or move to another area. That has been proven time after time.

Allowing addicts to wallow in their drug induced misery is not humane or Christian like.
These people need treatment.
A nudge in the right direction is better than no nudge at all.

A lot of homeless use homelessness as a life style. They don't want help. Those on drugs or alcohol don't want a structured life (homeless shelter) as that would restrict their access to drugs and alcohol. Mental deranged people are beyond help as facilities are not available to provide help and sending mental health people out to talk to them will only makes mental heath officials feel they are doing good, but in the long run actually does do any thing to get mental deranged people off the streets as there no place to put them. Ask the ACLU who was behind the closing down mental health facilities years ago.

[MechAndy]

I don’t think it is a violation of their rights.
If the addicts are not near me I don’t care.
I don’t care about why or who closed the treatment/mental centers down years ago.
That is a poor excuse for not doing anything in modern times.
It’s always Reagan Reagan Reagan.
We can’t continue to blame him for our current problems.

[rkcarguy]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

I’m somewhat of a fiscal conservative liberal.
There are plenty of charity organizations than offer a hand up.
What we are seeing are people that don’t want the hand up they just want the free “fish” with no strings attached.
In other words what we are seeing are addicts that only want drug money.
If given half a chance most of these addicts will steal for it.

Ever notice how the really nice areas don’t have this problem?
The nice areas have police that do courtesy stops and and interviews of these people.
Surprisingly most of these people have warrants and are either taken in or invited to move on with the understanding that they are not welcome.

Is that a violation of their rights?
I more so see it as a grey zone where training and consistent policies can work to clean up areas.

Allowing addicts to wallow in their drug induced misery is not humane or Christian like.
These people need treatment.
A nudge in the right direction is better than no nudge at all.

Good post, I agree. There are no winners in this. The shelters won't take the druggies and mentally ill/violent. The weather has gone "wet" and temps dropped into the 30's last night. More "Death investigation, 123 Cherry St."(non-existent address that denotes homeless) will be filling the police report pages.
Addicts will not only steal, they will also injure and in some cases kill for that drug $$$.

[rantiquity]

Originally Posted by MechAndy

I don’t think it is a violation of their rights.
If the addicts are not near me I don’t care.
I don’t care about why or who closed the treatment/mental centers down years ago.
That is a poor excuse for not doing anything in modern times.
It’s always Reagan Reagan Reagan.
We can’t continue to blame him for our current problems.

Yep...you hit the nail on the head.....you don't care....
As as far as who closed down the mental institution look no further then the liberal supported ACLU. ACLU will fight tooth and nail to keep those facilities, which did offer help to the mental impaired, from ever operation again.
It seem your third and forth remark is a oxymoron.
And lastly Reagan didn't have anything to do with shutting down the mental institution....the ACLU and the democratic bleeding hearts did it all by themselves.

[pnwguy2]

In my opinion we need to use government funds to help mentally ill or disabled. But we also need a good system to legitimize these. There is so much fraud. Difficult problem.

[leastprime]

^ Law and Order/Public Safety, costs money. A lot of taxes. Do you think the electorate will vote for a property tax increase?
YTMV

[pnwguy2]

Originally Posted by leastprime

^ Law and Order/Public Safety, costs money. A lot of taxes. Do you think the electorate will vote for a property tax increase?
YTMV

Your question is unanswerable because we are divided. I won’t get into why this is, but is. Let me say the political divide has been increasing. I am a baby boomer so I remember a time when the political divisions were much less divisive. We of a certain age understood the divisions were important, but polite. That seems to have terribly gone awry. I think some recent Presidents just made it worse.

[wolfdog]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

I think we are headed for a recession. I hope I am wrong. Get ready for dark times. Politically this will probably benefit Republicans. Ebb and flow.

This spring. Consumer debt numbers will be much higher. Bankruptcies and foreclosures will be up. But bargain prices on used vehicles, boats, RVs.