Are health officals misleading the public? (Sequim: live, assess, statistics)

[rantiquity]

I ask this question because of the reports by our local Health care official in Clallam county and I am sure in other Washington counties as well.
Seems the reporting to me is misleading. Why report cases that no longer exist? Should the cases reported be an up to date count. I mean we have had 102 cases as of this morning and only 28 active case. Why report on inactive cases?

I think I read the other day that a cases was hospitalized but was that case a direct result of the virus or a case where a patients was entering the hospital for something else and found to have the virus? It was total unclear if it was hospitalized related to the virus or not.

I believe the information put forth by the state/county should be placed on actual active case and cases being hospitalized for the virus and death directly connected to the virus.

Another problem I am reading is why with so few cases are the ages being withheld?
I was glad to see the break down in case by community in the PDN the other day. That is a positive reflection of where the number of case really are. In Sequim, where I live, it appears according to the below chart only two active cases and 29 recovered cases out of 31 total.




http://www.clallam.net/Coronavirus/

[oregonwoodsmoke]

Wear your mask anyway. If they are telling the truth, you are protecting yourself. If they are lying, you aren't out anything.

If you are going to error, error on the side of safety.

[Diana Holbrook]

You're right, rantiquity, there is no point in a cumulative number when trying to assess current rates of infection.

[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook

You're right, rantiquity, there is no point in a cumulative number when trying to assess current rates of infection.

Unless you are tracking statistics / trend lines... (the usual stuff in accurate reporting and data collection)
They really should be reporting Rn (rate of transmission / spread if they knew it,... as well as the moving average of new cases (Need past data for that)

[Diana Holbrook]

I think most of us most want to know - how many people out there right now, in my town, have it?...
(and of those, how many are seriously ill needing hospitalization?)

I think the reason we're not hearing that number is it's not a big enough number to scare people. - Yet that's the number we need to assess the safety of going out to dinner or to get a hair cut or do any other business. Not the cumulative number of people who have ever had it since January. We don't need to know that unless we're trying to figure out when we'll achieve natural herd immunity... And I think we're still far from that.

[SusVelo]

Originally Posted by Diana Holbrook

I think most of us most want to know - how many people out there right now, in my town, have it?...
(and of those, how many are seriously ill needing hospitalization?)

I think the reason we're not hearing that number is it's not a big enough number to scare people. - Yet that's the number we need to assess the safety of going out to dinner or to get a hair cut or do any other business. Not the cumulative number of people who have ever had it since January. We don't need to know that unless we're trying to figure out when we'll achieve natural herd immunity... And I think we're still far from that.

That number is on the page he linked, current hospitalizations.


You seem to want the total cases removed because it's too complicated for you to find the numbers you want to see?

[fishbrains]

Yes, it is obvious.

All international, national, state and county health officials are engaged in a global conspiracy to frighten you.

That is much more reasonable than thinking they are concerned with a global pandemic that may kill millions.

[Botev1912]

Originally Posted by simply1

That number is on the page he linked, current hospitalizations.


You seem to want the total cases removed because it's too complicated for you to find the numbers you want to see?

This information is incomplete because many states (including Washington) don't record the number of people who have recovered. Every county does their own thing and there is no national standard. Canada for example has done a lot better job recording the numbers using the same metrics throughout the whole country.

[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by Botev1912

This information is incomplete because many states (including Washington) ...

Don't know....

1) Minimal testing (some states still only have enough test kits to test 'symptomatic' patients, that's way too late to stop spread...) WA = 1.3% tested (including multiple tests) That means we actually know nothing (very, very little) from testing.
2) Very slow test results in USA, average is still 3-7 days, not like S Korea in Feb 2020 = 15 min (3 days is too long for symptomatic test results to effectively stop spread, since your highest contagion is 3-4 days prior to first symptoms. = ~10 days too late
3) No contact tracing in USA (In Jan 2020... that was deemed to be essential to control spread )
4) Very low social responsibility in USA, "If my carelessness causes your death or loss of job, house, family..., it is not my problem, and I'm ok with that" (So there!)

Health officials know very little to intentionally mislead the public.
Politicians know less.

If Health officials were not hired by politicians, and could speak freely and intelligently, the USA would be hearing a very different message.

The less the politicians and health officials claim to know, the more protected they are (from accountability).
We (USA) are 'shining stars' at avoiding accountability.

[wolfdog]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

Wear your mask anyway. If they are telling the truth, you are protecting yourself. If they are lying, you aren't out anything.

If you are going to error, error on the side of safety.

I thought the mask was to protect others from my exhale...to keep my exhale close to me, not projecting out 6 feet to others.