The Tennessee Effect (Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga: sales, luxury, university)

[LauraC]

I do not want Tennessee to grow. Period.

[Igor Blevin]

Originally Posted by BlueRedTide

Who's the one Growing? Is Nashville growing? or is Tennessee Growing?? I ask this question because years ago in the grand scheme of things when one said that Tennessee was growing in relations to other States it was because of Nashville.

To answer your question...

Nashville gained 21,000 people in 2023.

The entire rest of Tennessee gained 56,000 people in 2023.

The state total was 77,000.

Nashville is gaining the lion's share but it is still only 1/4 of Tennessee's growth. Tennesee is seeing steady growth overall, not just the Nashville area.

[JMT]

Originally Posted by Igor Blevin

To answer your question...

Nashville gained 21,000 people in 2023.

The entire rest of Tennessee gained 56,000 people in 2023.

The state total was 77,000.

Nashville is gaining the lion's share but it is still only 1/4 of Tennessee's growth. Tennesee is seeing steady growth overall, not just the Nashville area.

Where did you get those figures? The Census Bureau won't release 2023 population estimates for another few months. From 2021-2022 (the most recent year available) Tennessee grew by 82,988. Of that, the Nashville metro grew by 35,624, or 43 percent of the state's growth. Throw in adjacent Clarksville's 7,511, and the Nashville-Clarksville agglomeration contributed over 50 percent of the state's population growth from 2021-2022.

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/t...cal-areas.html

[jjbradleynyc]

Originally Posted by LauraC

I do not want Tennessee to grow. Period.

It's one of the fastest growing states in the country. Largely due to Tennessee's zero state income tax, which attracts a lot of people from heavily taxed states, as well as retirees.

People are moving up from Florida, and choosing Tennessee to retire. Tired of the hurricanes, influx of constant tourists and traffic, overdevelopment and wanting a more 4 season, cooler, yet milder climate.

The TN countryside is gorgeous in many areas, and the people who were born and raised there are generally very real, very friendly and helpful.

Fact of the matter is that it's growing, and many times fast growth changes a lot of areas from what they once were. It's happened to many other southern states like Virginia, Georgia, Texas, North Carolina and Florida.

Now Tennessee and South Carolina are seeing similar growth occur.

[jabogitlu]

It's pretty clear that there is a paradigm shift in the growth for Middle and East Tennessee. I think the interesting question is will the overall population and corporate change patterns benefit West Tennessee?

[JRR]

Originally Posted by LauraC

I do not want Tennessee to grow. Period.

I don't mind growth as long as it is sensible.

My wife is from an old city in Ohio that has seen population fall in the last 60 years. Over those years industries/employers have left and stores have closed. Young people with any ability/ambition leave as soon as they have a chance. I was born in a place in central New York State that has the exact same situation.

I'll take growth over that.

[BlueRedTide]

Originally Posted by JRR

I don't mind growth as long as it is sensible.

My wife is from an old city in Ohio that has seen population fall in the last 60 years. Over those years industries/employers have left and stores have closed. Young people with any ability/ambition leave as soon as they have a chance. I was born in a place in central New York State that has the exact same situation.

I'll take growth over that.

I Agree, it sucks certain jobs and opportunities aren't available in Tn because the population isn't big enough, and TN has to play catch up. sucks having to go out of town to go see a concert, sucks that a lot of the time you fly from Tennessee across the country you have to do a layover in Atlanta Hartsfield Airport or pay extra for a direct flight

As Tennessee Grows Companies like Nissan and Amazon etc come in, A Lot more Concerts and National Acts now stop in Tennessee, NFL Draft and NHL All star game came to Tennessee for the first time, Even Some talk about Tennessee hosting the Superbowl in the coming years.

And TN airports are adding flights, Tennessee's Growth is providing Opportunities and Raising the Quality of Life, minus the side effects of raising cost of living,

But All in All id rather see Tennessee grow, it's nice that growth is coming to East Tennessee too, I think it's the state growing and that growth is going to spread across the state

. In other words if Knoxville grows it's not Knoxville growing its Tennessee that's growing, or rather Knoxville is growing because It's In Tennessee in other other words if Knoxville was in Kentucky or West Virginia it wouldn't be growing like it is. And that's the Essence of the Tennessee Effect

Not Only is Tennessee growing within, I'd like to throw in another element of my proposed hypothetical "Tennessee Effect".

Even the Border Regions along Tennessee are growing, it seems that even being close to Tennessee is a net positive, Alabama's (Huntsville) and Mississippi's (Memphis suburbs)
Fastest Growing regions are right on Tennessee's Border, and Metro Clarksville on the Kentucky Border is becoming one of Kentucky's prime regions

[CrosbyStills]

Originally Posted by md21722

Knoxville, Chattanooga, and the Tri-Cities are all in East Tennessee. There is a nuisance to the Tri-Cities because it's considered Northeast Tennessee (also known as Upper East Tennessee). While the core of the Tri-Cities lies within in Sullivan and Washington Counties, the overall area is geographically much larger sprawling over a couple more counties plus into Virginia.

In the Tri-Cities a lot of people may choose to stay local to the city they live in, but a lot of people travel back and forth between the cities for work, shopping, and entertainment. For example, where I live it's easier to go to Johnson City than it is to the Pinnacle. Even though JC has higher end shopping, if you want a Mercedes, BMW, or Porsche, the dealers are only in Kingsport. However, Kingsport's Subaru dealership closed and you'd have to go to JC or Bristol for one.

I would not say that Cookeville is economically diversified. It would be more comparable to Johnson City. Both have a state university. It is also a bedroom community for people who wanted cheaper housing and commute to Nashville.

One should also note that in Tennessee, a "State College" is what other state's call a Junior College or a Community College. A 2-year school leading to a wide assortment of various Associate's Degrees. The Tennessee State College system consists of 37 technical and community campuses throughout the state and is managed by the Tennessee Board of Regents.

The primary universities in the state are Vanderbilt in Nashvegas and the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

1. UT with 33,000 students;
2. University of Memphis with 22,000 students;
3. Middle Tennessee State University with 20,000 students, and;
4. Vanderbilt with 14,000 students.

Honorable Mention:

Tennessee State University (HBCU) with 6,000 students, also in Nashvegas.

[suzytx]

Originally Posted by CrosbyStills

1. UT with 33,000 students;
2. University of Memphis with 22,000 students;
3. Middle Tennessee State University with 20,000 students, and;
4. Vanderbilt with 14,000 students.

Honorable Mention:

Tennessee State University (HBCU) with 6,000 students, also in Nashvegas.

East Tennessee State University with nearly 14000 students and a medical school.

[Serious Conversation]

Originally Posted by BlueRedTide

I Agree, it sucks certain jobs and opportunities aren't available in Tn because the population isn't big enough, and TN has to play catch up. sucks having to go out of town to go see a concert, sucks that a lot of the time you fly from Tennessee across the country you have to do a layover in Atlanta Hartsfield Airport or pay extra for a direct flight

As Tennessee Grows Companies like Nissan and Amazon etc come in, A Lot more Concerts and National Acts now stop in Tennessee, NFL Draft and NHL All star game came to Tennessee for the first time, Even Some talk about Tennessee hosting the Superbowl in the coming years.

And TN airports are adding flights, Tennessee's Growth is providing Opportunities and Raising the Quality of Life, minus the side effects of raising cost of living,

But All in All id rather see Tennessee grow, it's nice that growth is coming to East Tennessee too, I think it's the state growing and that growth is going to spread across the state

. In other words if Knoxville grows it's not Knoxville growing its Tennessee that's growing, or rather Knoxville is growing because It's In Tennessee in other other words if Knoxville was in Kentucky or West Virginia it wouldn't be growing like it is. And that's the Essence of the Tennessee Effect

Not Only is Tennessee growing within, I'd like to throw in another element of my proposed hypothetical "Tennessee Effect".

Even the Border Regions along Tennessee are growing, it seems that even being close to Tennessee is a net positive, Alabama's (Huntsville) and Mississippi's (Memphis suburbs)
Fastest Growing regions are right on Tennessee's Border, and Metro Clarksville on the Kentucky Border is becoming one of Kentucky's prime regions

Huntsville has historically been a science/military/engineering town in its own right. Clarksville has the military base. None of these have anything to do with Tennessee specifically.

You can flip this around and look at the areas near VA and NC. I-26 is basically nothing, minus the very small town of Erwin, between Johnson City to the state line. The VA side of Bristol is spinning its wheels, aside from the casino and legal marijuana, two recent changes at the state level in VA that have nothing to do with TN.

The cost of living is up anywhere worth living. All of the Tri-Cities have experienced a big run-up in cost of living, with Johnson City leading the way on that because it's the nicest city between Roanoke, Asheville, and Knoxville. Over the past five years or so, the local economy hasn't changed that much. Yes, the people at the bottom working in fields like fast food or retail have experienced big pay gains, but they're still poor to afford the housing. The top 20% or so are fine. The middle 50% or so of society is where the squeeze is happening.

But a lot of what you are talking about with the cultural items and such is really centered around metro Knoxville and Nashville. The TRI airport only has flights to Charlotte, Atlanta, seasonal flights to certain parts of FL, and (recently) Dallas. The Dallas flight is relatively recently, and probably at the behest of Eastman Chemical. The rest of the flights have been here for years.

Not much has changed locally in five, even ten, years. That spillover effect from Nashville isn't happening everywhere.