Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
$28,895 2024 Subaru Outback (182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque)
$31,195 2024 Subaru Outback Premium (182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque)
$35,795 2024 Subaru Outback Limited (182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque)
$36,105 2024 Subaru Outback Onyx Edition (182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque)
$40,345 2024 Subaru Outback Touring (182 horsepower and 176 lb-ft of torque)
Which would you purchase? Subaru's best two row SUV (an upper level trim) or the least expensive AWD Lexus? The UX is a hybrid so it gets better mileage, but the Outback has better torque,
The Lexus has only two things going for it, IMHO: fuel economy and a record of reliability.
The Subaru is probably not far behind in reliability, though, since head gasket issues were resolved quite a while ago. And probably has more usable cargo room since it has a far less radical rake on the back glass.
Neither is an SUV. The Outback is just a station wagon, while the UX looks like a hatchback. Marketers have convinced you that an inch or two of extra suspension lift qualifies them as an SUV. Both would be better vehicles without the aspirational SUV treatments.
If you actually want the doodads, I might lean Lexus for the reliability. If not, go lower trim Subaru. A few thousand dollars buys an awful lot of gasoline to make up that mpg difference.
Well an SUV is whatever the EPA says is an SUV. The EPA states that starting in 2005 the Outback was an SUV, but before that it was a wagon. That's the official bottom line.
Subaru's global report doesn't distinguish between an Impreza and a Crosstrek for their statistics, as a Crosstrek is basically a lifted Impreza, but the EPA classifies the Crosstrek an SUV and the Impreza is a car.
For instance last year global sales of Impreza + Crosstrek were distributed
66.1% USA
10.8% Canada
9.9% Japan
5.4% Australia
2.6% Europe
5.2% elsewhere
We know from Subaru of America reports that 79% of combined sales were Crosstreks, but we don't know what the percentage was in other countries.
Last edited by PacoMartin; 03-11-2023 at 01:31 AM..
Well an SUV is whatever the EPA says is an SUV. The EPA states that starting in 2005 the Outback was an SUV, but before that it was a wagon. That's the official bottom line.
Subaru's global report doesn't distinguish between an Impreza and a Crosstrek for their statistics, as a Crosstrek is basically a lifted Impreza, but the EPA classifies the Crosstrek an SUV and the Impreza is a car.
For instance last year global sales of Impreza + Crosstrek were distributed
66.1% USA
10.8% Canada
9.9% Japan
5.4% Australia
2.6% Europe
5.2% elsewhere
We know from Subaru of America reports that 79% of combined sales were Crosstreks, but we don't know what the percentage was in other countries.
That’s more or less where I am on the SUV marketing thing. The gub’ment as usual doesn’t really know what it’s doing, much less care.
I stand by wanting the Subie more than the Lexus, although at the last minute I’ll add that being able to get the Lexus without AWD gives it an extra point or two. But the uglified Lexus grille and the significant hatch glass rake still make it a tough sell.
I stand by wanting the Subie more than the Lexus, although at the last minute I’ll add that being able to get the Lexus without AWD gives it an extra point or two. But the uglified Lexus grille and the significant hatch glass rake still make it a tough sell.
Subaru has become a member of the Toyota Automotive Group and we have the obvious BRZ | GR86 and the Solterra | bZ4X shared designs. But it is clear that Toyota hybrid technology is going to be added to Subaru.
I assume that some of these Subaru and Lexus models will converge in technology and price (US sales 2022).
10,237 UX $36,490 - 181-hp four-cylinder hybrid powertrain paired with (CVT) and either front- or all-wheel drive
The Crosstrek and Forester SUVs are clearly in a category below Lexus.
The Lexus LX seems to be competing with German models like the Mercedes Benz 2023 GLS 450 SUV (turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six; 362 hp) Starting at $81,800
The other possibility is there may be some integration of the Subaru and Toyota SUV division. If we leave out the ubitquitious RAV4 (400,000 US sales in 2022) the two companies had similar number of sales last year.
12,141 C-HR (discontinued in US)
56,666 Corolla Cross
33,683 Venza
222,805 Highlander
121,023 4Runner
5,314 Sequoia
48 Land Cruiser
451,698 Total Toyota Div. SUV (except RAV4)
.
155,142 Crosstrek
114,096 Forester
147,262 Outback
63,704 Ascent
480,204 Total Subaru Div. SUV
Toyota is revamping it's Toyota lineup. The corolla Cross may have sames similar to the Subaru Crossrek in 2023. The 4 Runner will get a major revampt for 2024. The Land Cruiser has been discontinued in the US, and the Sequoia will be sold only as a hybrid with a 6 cylinder 3.6 liter dual turbo engine replacing the V8 with a hope of getting a bigger share of the luxury three row SUV market..
It’s apples vs bananas. An Outback is a foot longer, it’s wider, and it has way more cargo and interior cabin space. The Lexus can only tow 1,000 pounds. They are two totally different classes of car.
It’s apples vs bananas. An Outback is a foot longer, it’s wider, and it has way more cargo and interior cabin space. The Lexus can only tow 1,000 pounds. They are two totally different classes of car.
That may well be but then the person who buys a Subaru can't say, "My new Lexus is so awesome" when making conversation at whatever social gathering being attended.
That may well be but then the person who buys a Subaru can't say, "My new Lexus is so awesome" when making conversation at whatever social gathering being attended.
Yes, I'm somewhat cynical.
I’ve always viewed my cars as a disposable appliance to enable my lifestyle. I guess if you’re driving a beater Hyundai from a buy-here/pay-here lot, an 8 month old Outback is a status symbol.
I’ve always viewed my cars as a disposable appliance to enable my lifestyle. I guess if you’re driving a beater Hyundai from a buy-here/pay-here lot, an 8 month old Outback is a status symbol.
But not as much of one as a 20 year old Lexus. Look where I live and the types of people who surround me.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
