The Law Of Attraction (The Secret) Repels God (quote, believe, heaven)
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So, a preoccupation with ones desires does not lead to the fulfillment of life's purpose
The fact that you associate the "secret" with people being preoccupied with their desires makes it very clear that you did not "get" it, or anything about the teachings. It's about physical law and energy, and our relationship with both, as well as the impact both have on us. It's non-debatable that there are physical laws that cannot be defied, and our thoughts and energies are a part of that. Mind body and spirit are (or ideally, should be) one, and as well we are one with our universe, and each other (again, ideally). That's the crux of it- no more, no less, really. And if it isn't obvious to you that what is outlined in "The Secret" completely coincides with the teachings of jesus and god in a very deep, yet very simple way- then perhaps you might take time to investigate again- this time with an open mind.
And by the way, people who use these teachings with a mind to gain material wealth or have gain of a material/financial gain in mind would do well not to try to practice using this method, as it will backfire. Greed is dangerous and should never be entertained...that may well be one of the only things the bible thumpers and everyone else can agree on.
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Originally Posted by ChristyGrl
It's funny the way religious folk always look at other teachings as "New Age Heresy" and yet what does The Secret actually teach??
If your life is focused on good...you will receive good.
If your life is focused on bad...you will received bad....in other words...
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!!! Our lives are all products of our thoughts and actions...and those negative or positive thoughts and actions come back to us.
Just because something is packaged a little differently or is not written down word for word in the bible...doesn't mean that it has not been said before.
Agreed. Like I said, this teaching really is the basic tenet of almost every religion/belief system, people just like to muddle things up and make up weird rules as they go along. And like Oprah once said (and got a LOT of heat because of it, from the zealot ET types and such), there is not one way to god; there are infinite paths to god. To think that with all the people in the world, and how different we are all from each other that there is but ONE way to god is utterly absurd, and defies logic on the most infantile level.
I think people who call this, and other such systems of belief "dangerous" are just scared. If people had to actually put down their bible and stand up and think for themselves, and act with love rather than judgement, they couldn't handle it. It isn't easy for everyone to be honest with themselves and look themselves in the mirror, and accept and love what they see staring them back in the face- which is what you have to do to make something like "the secret" work. Not to mention just to be able to contribute positivity to society rather than emit negativity, which one is bound to do if they aren't living to their fullest potential. To love one's self is to love god, as god is within all of us, each other and the universe to the vastest expanse. One can only give to others and the world when he is kind and loving to himself, thus whole- and thus HAS something to give. As well one is best able to receive when his arms are already open from a gesture of giving...
The fact that you associate the "secret" with people being preoccupied with their desires makes it very clear that you did not "get" it, or anything about the teachings. It's about physical law and energy, and our relationship with both, as well as the impact both have on us. It's non-debatable that there are physical laws that cannot be defied, and our thoughts and energies are a part of that. Mind body and spirit are (or ideally, should be) one, and as well we are one with our universe, and each other (again, ideally). That's the crux of it- no more, no less, really. And if it isn't obvious to you that what is outlined in "The Secret" completely coincides with the teachings of jesus and god in a very deep, yet very simple way- then perhaps you might take time to investigate again- this time with an open mind.
And by the way, people who use these teachings with a mind to gain material wealth or have gain of a material/financial gain in mind would do well not to try to practice using this method, as it will backfire. Greed is dangerous and should never be entertained...that may well be one of the only things the bible thumpers and everyone else can agree on.
Agreed. Like I said, this teaching really is the basic tenet of almost every religion/belief system, people just like to muddle things up and make up weird rules as they go along. And like Oprah once said (and got a LOT of heat because of it, from the zealot ET types and such), there is not one way to god; there are infinite paths to god. To think that with all the people in the world, and how different we are all from each other that there is but ONE way to god is utterly absurd, and defies logic on the most infantile level.
I think people who call this, and other such systems of belief "dangerous" are just scared. If people had to actually put down their bible and stand up and think for themselves, and act with love rather than judgement, they couldn't handle it. It isn't easy for everyone to be honest with themselves and look themselves in the mirror, and accept and love what they see staring them back in the face- which is what you have to do to make something like "the secret" work. Not to mention just to be able to contribute positivity to society rather than emit negativity, which one is bound to do if they aren't living to their fullest potential. To love one's self is to love god, as god is within all of us, each other and the universe to the vastest expanse. One can only give to others and the world when he is kind and loving to himself, thus whole- and thus HAS something to give. As well one is best able to receive when his arms are already open from a gesture of giving...
AWESOME Post buddy.......if only more people would actually realize this...the changes that could be made in this world are unlimitable!!!
On yesterday, I responded to a post that I thought-that I believed-was somewhat short sighted...and far from the truth. My comments were not meant to affend, but simply to level the playing field. I simply wanted to enlighted the christian community, and or the author of the post that I responded to...I wanted him to know...to understand-that there are people...millions of us... that do not share his views of God...the world in which we live...sin, hell, and damnation. It is difficult at times for some people...depending on their view of God to understand that it is okay to be different....to have another view of God....and not be wrong.
I would not want to serve a God...that does not allow its worshipers/its followers to be open at the top...to be open minded-to be independent thinkers, and to embrace those of all faiths, while recognizing that there is only one God....but many paths to that one presence-to that One power-to that One Source we call God (or whatever name you choose to give it).
If God is omnipresent-and he is-then he/it-the absolute Good, must be in all....and where God is-there is good. Therefore, there must be good in "All" of us. However, because we are not aware of that truth....we, out of ignorance...act in ignorance towards ourselves and towards others. The rule of thumb should be love....So instead of labling others as sinners and heritics, and the like, lets try to express more of the Good-that is within all of us....
I would like to know what our online community think about what I've said/written....smile! ...on this post...or via email: lifechangers@lifechangersusa.org
On yesterday, I responded to a post that I thought-that I believed-was somewhat short sighted...and far from the truth. My comments were not meant to affend, but simply to level the playing field. I simply wanted to enlighted the christian community, and or the author of the post that I responded to...I wanted him to know...to understand-that there are people...millions of us... that do not share his views of God...the world in which we live...sin, hell, and damnation. It is difficult at times for some people...depending on their view of God to understand that it is okay to be different....to have another view of God....and not be wrong.
I would not want to serve a God...that does not allow its worshipers/its followers to be open at the top...to be open minded-to be independent thinkers, and to embrace those of all faiths, while recognizing that there is only one God....but many paths to that one presence-to that One power-to that One Source we call God (or whatever name you choose to give it).
If God is omnipresent-and he is-then he/it-the absolute Good, must be in all....and where God is-there is good. Therefore, there must be good in "All" of us. However, because we are not aware of that truth....we, out of ignorance...act in ignorance towards ourselves and towards others. The rule of thumb should be love....So instead of labling others as sinners and heritics, and the like, lets try to express more of the Good-that is within all of us....
I would like to know what our online community think about what I've said/written....smile! ...on this post...or via email: lifechangers@lifechangersusa.org
Hi ChristyGrl, you are absolutely correct in saying that "It's okay to admit...that we are not always sure about certain things." As you already know, for some-that is not an easy thing to do. It's hard to admit that we don't at times have all the facts.
There are far too many of us embracing ideas, beliefs, and faulty assumptions that deny us the opportunity to see the truth. If it is indeed true that truth sets one free-then for us, being able to see the truth-is important;because our very own freedom rests upon our ability to see truth....to see each other as we really are..."individualized expressions of a Divine Presence we call God." Life/a Divine Presence-Divine Principle-manifesting itself through us as us.
The one thing that we all have in common, is this thing we call "Life"...someone earlier said energy....whatever it is-we all have it.
I believe that that is the one thing that ties us all together. Yet, in our ignorance of the truth of who we are...we do not allow ourselves to see in others that which is in ourselves...Life....God...Spirit. Thus in mind we see ourselves divided-separated from our Source, and from each other. How tragic and debilitating-how destructive.
Simply put-like attracts like. Like minds attract to itself-like minds. The Good that is within each of us...attracts to Itself more of Itself....more Good. Our job is to remove from our lives...the obstruction...the hindrances that prevent the natural flow of life-the Good.
When we remove from our lives...from our minds-the obstructions, that are in our thinking-our beliefs, and in our faulty assumptions that we have of ourselves, and others...we then allow Life...in greater degrees-to flow through us as us....attracting more of Itself to Itself.
So then, our goal should be, to remove from our lives the faulty patterns of thinking that keeps us bound to thoughts of lack and limitation...pain and sufferring....heaven and hell..... Jesus...the wayshower, said that the kingdom of Heaven....the Kingdom of God-is within...within all of us...not somewhere out there in space. Therefore, if our Source-God-the highest and best in ourselves, is within reach-within each of us.... why should we continue to look outside for that which is within? And so it is.....
Hi ChristyGrl, you are absolutely correct in saying that "It's okay to admit...that we are not always sure about certain things." As you already know, for some-that is not an easy thing to do. It's hard to admit that we don't at times have all the facts.
There are far too many of us embracing ideas, beliefs, and faulty assumptions that deny us the opportunity to see the truth. If it is indeed true that truth sets one free-then for us, being able to see the truth-is important;because our very own freedom rests upon our ability to see truth....to see each other as we really are..."individualized expressions of a Divine Presence we call God." Life/a Divine Presence-Divine Principle-manifesting itself through us as us.
The one thing that we all have in common, is this thing we call "Life"...someone earlier said energy....whatever it is-we all have it.
I believe that that is the one thing that ties us all together. Yet, in our ignorance of the truth of who we are...we do not allow ourselves to see in others that which is in ourselves...Life....God...Spirit. Thus in mind we see ourselves divided-separated from our Source, and from each other. How tragic and debilitating-how destructive.
Thanks for your kind words in your previous post.
Chad...what do you believe is the cause of this disconnect we allow to occur from one another?
The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Heb 4:12) The power of any Bible study lies within the power of God's word. Read the cited Scriptures.
THE LAW OF ATTRACTION REPELS GOD
A Letter mainly to Christians but also to those still in the world.
These days it seems everyone from Oprah Winfrey to preacher Joel Osteen has been entrapped by a new age form of spirituality known most commonly under the term "The Law of Attraction."
According to this philosophy one must understand that at our most basic quantum level all things, humans, animals, plants, rocks, the table we sit at, the clothes we wear, the planets and stars that occupy the universe, all are made of exactly the same material, vibrating atoms, and this being the case we can tap into that energy. How? By being expectant and positive. That's it. Simple isn't it.
If we learn to be positive, to send our happy thought energy into the universe it will float about it gathering up more happy or good energy and then somehow find it's way back to us in the form of answered wishes, desires fulfilled. Or, if you sent bad vibes it goes out gathering up more negative energy and gives it back to you in way of a curse plaguing your life with bad luck. Why? Because energy attracts like energy.
To those who have trouble accepting that nothing but mere energy can bring blessings and maledictions there are others in the field who give a more personified and purposeful offering, a form of god (2Tim 3:5) that they most commonly call "the source."
There was a time when God's name, Jehovah, (Ps 83:18) was known, used and honored. It is recorded some 7000 times in the Old Testament portion of the Bible alone. But as time passed we little humans decided that name no longer mattered and so began calling Jehovah by titles such as God and Lord. Now, these new age spiritualists obscure God even more by calling him "the source," or any number of other meaningless names, this in an attempt not to offend the people who read their teachings. Do they worry about offending God in doing this? Of course not, no more than those in times past. (Ex 20:7 / Lu 11:2) See The Divine Name
THE DIVINE NAME; JEHOVAH (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/divinenamejehovah.html - broken link)
~Repels God by being even further obscured, depersonalized.~
But then, who needs to know God's name when they can know "Abraham," the name given to a collective of "evolved spirit entities" that are channelled through Esther Hicks. And what is the message that these spirits have so kindly come to give? That "desire is a good and natural force within us, in fact, we are all here to fulfill our desires."
That's it? That's the only reason we're here? Not a very meaningful life, but if evolved spirits so generously came to tell us our whole reason for living then who are we to question? I'll tell you who we are! We are beings of contemplation and with the ability to reason and if we value our lives at all we will absolutely question. Who are these spirits? Why do they want to encourage us to embrace such an egotistic life of self gratification? Is Esther Hicks doing good by channelling them?
Since this letter is written mainly to those of you who think of yourselves of Christians I say that as Christians, I am sure you value the word of God as a book of truth, a book from God to guide us and set matters straight (2Tim 3:15-16 / Jh 17:17 / Eph 6:17-18) To answer these questions and all questions on this matter then, we shall turn to the Bible for reliable and inspired guidance.
First, go ahead and read the Mini-Study on Death and if you've the time, go on to read the Full study on Death and then return. These studies will help you to understand that there is no spiritual afterlife that humans go on to after they die for death is the punishment God laid down upon us for our sin, therefore death is non-existence. Not the most mystical and dreamy answer but the Bible deals in truth, and this, as Jesus said, is God's word, and as such, is truth. (Eccl 9:5-10 / Ezek 18:4 / Gen 3:17-19 / Rom 6:23) Knowing this you should ask, "If these "Abraham" spirits are not evolved human spirits, what are they?" There is only one thing left that they could be, to answer bluntly, they are demons.
Satan and his demons are not Evolved spirits, but DEvolved spirits, having once been God's heavenly messengers but are now fallen angels, wicked opposers of God and his truth. Banished from heaven to the vicinity of earth where in great anger he and his demons prowl about like a hungry lion wishing to devour someone (Rev 12:9 / 1Pet 5:8) their entire agenda is to contradict God's word and lead humans astray, away from pure worship and accurate knowledge. [Please read http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1Astudy3satan1.html (broken link)Who or What is Satan?] God's word says that the whole world is lying in the power o the wicked one, that Satan is misleading the entire inhabited earth! (Rev 12:9 / 1Jh 5:19) One of the ways this is accomplished is through the cunning of making bad seem good. "Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2Cor 11:3-14)
And the message these demons have to give? "Be kind to yourself." (Matt 16:22-23, Matt 4:8-10) "Just reach out and take/receive all that you can get, focus all your thoughts on your desires, think intently on fulfilling them, life is all about you and your ambitions, your cravings, it is why you are here. If you can't 'manifest' them yourself then there is a form of God, a source out there just waiting for you to be receptive to all the fleshly gifts he wants so badly to shower you with; riches, power, love, health, everything you desire, source wants you to have it, just make it the focus of your life, because, it is why you are here."
~Repels God by obscuring from the eyes of those whom they mislead the events God is bringing upon the earth~
~Repels God by painting Him as a belching treasure chest~
What a pleasant message, but yet what a blinding one. So preoccupied with fulfilling their desires are they who are entrapped by this quest, that they have little time to see what is coming upon the world! (This I will discuss shortly)
Does God's word agree with these 'misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons?" (1Tim 4:1-2) Of course not. It says that 'each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desires," and that "desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin and in turn, sin, when it has been done, brings forth death." (Jas 1:14-15)
So, a preoccupation with ones desires does not lead to the fulfillment of life's purpose, but is instead a danger leading a person to commit sin. But even further than this, our fleshly desires "do not originate with God," (1Jh 2:16-17) and if they do not originate with God how can it be believed that God wishes to shower us with the fulfilling of them? All of these desires, every one of them, is to pass away along with this world, and so, what is the worth of obsessing over them? Do the will of God and live to enjoy the world of His promise (2Pet 3:10-13) where He will open His hand "satisfying the desire of every living thing. (Ps 145:16) But in this world, no, our desires are not of God's concern. [Again, I will address this later] (Eph 5:5, 4:22-24, 2:2-3 / Rom 1:24:26 / Matt 15:19, 5:28 / Mr 4:19 / Heb 13:5 / 1Tim 6:10 / Gen 3:6)
~Repels God by spreading the lies of demons~
Lastly, in this issue of Esther Hick's channelled "Abraham" spirits. (and incidentally the taking of this name is blasphemous for these demons knew what they were doing to call themselves Abraham for Abraham was a man, in the Bible, called "God's friend") Do you realize how strongly God feels about all forms of spiritism? (these days called "spirituality") "...you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations. There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer or one who binds others with a spell, or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah and on account of these things Jehovah is driving them away from before you. You should prove yourselves faultless with Jehovah your God." Do not make the mistake of believing God no longer feels this way or that these words somehow do not apply to you. The Bible was "written and recorded for a warning to us." (Deut 18:10-13 / 1Cor 10:11)
Why does God forbid these things? Because their powers came from demons. Why specifically does he forbid spirit mediums, channelling spirits? Because since humans die and do not go on to live as spirits there is only one form of spirit that would contact us by forbidden means (and with contradictory messages to boot) and that is the fallen angels, Satan and his demons. It is in loving protection that God forbids us to listen to channelled spirits or to tamper in any form of spiritism. (from Abracadabra to the Zodiac) If you are interested in spiritism (often called spirituality today) you would do well to look up these Scriptural texts and learn what God feels of such things and what will happen to you if you continue on with them. *(Isa 8:19, 47:1, 12:14 / 1Sam 28:7, 15:22-23 / 1Chron 10:13 / Gal 5:19-21 / Rev 21:8 / Lev 20:6, 27 / Mal 3:5 / Acts 19:18-19)
~Repels God by it's spiritism/spiritistic practice~
It is sad enough to me to know people without knowledge of God can be so easily misled by Satan's machinations, but it is even more disheartening knowing there are those out there claiming to know God, claiming to be Christian being led away by these fraudulent teachings for I know God's condemnation of them is righteous and His judgement will be carried out. (Rev 19:1-2 / Jude 6, 14, 15)
I speak now of preacher Joel Osteen. It matters not which sermon you hear, the message is always the same, one of a completely unjudgemental and all-forgiving God that is filled with an abundance and all of it for you. Just as with the spiritualists who espouse the "Law of Attraction," Osteen gives the soothing tidings that God is no more than a benevolent slave to our desires, a sort of genie granting our every wish, and all we must do to receive it is live a life of Godly devotion (no real explanation on what that means) and be expectant of it all with open positive thoughts.
This is a far cry from the God of the Bible who has very profound and precise requirements of us and who absolutely will see that we are judged. (Matt 25:31-32 / 2Pet 3:7 / Acts 17:31 / Jh 5:28-29) These false teachings as we've already shown, are a far cry from those found in God's word and a far cry from the ways and attitudes of first century Christians whose joy came, not from expecting God to fulfill their fleshly desires, but from obeying, worshipping and serving Him.
~Repels God by teaching He is in service to us, not that we should serve Him~
Osteen is often accused of using very few Scriptural texts to support his teachings, something he admits to. Also he has been accused of misapplying the few texts he has used. He does what he must to make it appear that what he is teaching is the will of God, when in fact it is not.
Instead of teaching Biblical truth in accurate knowledge, Osteen says he'd rather give people hope by teaching practical principals. Is it practical to lead people away from the only knowledge that will give them everlasting life? Is it practical to believe God wants nothing more of us than to be good and receive blassings from Him? Paul warned about believing our godly devotion is a means to a great (material) gain. (1Tim 6:5)
Joel Osteen's church is the largest church in America, claiming some 20,000 attendees at each sermon and thousands more via television. That is a lot of people coming to have their "ears tickled" by "smooth talk and complementary speech." Osteen, along with these new age spiritists "seduce the hearts of the naive." (1Tim 4:34 / Rom 16:18) Once again it is the pleasing message of fleshly prosperity that is used and because of the ego and greed of sinful man, people flock in droves to hear it. Sadly many are on the wide road leading to destruction. (Matt 7:13-23)
What makes me feel so bad about Osteen is that he seems like a very nice man who truly wants to help people be happy. He truly believes that if he doesn't teach the solid food of the Bible, so as not to confuse his followers, and that if he doesn't use the oppressive words "sin, sinner and sinful" or does not tell them that they have done and will do wrong and that God will judge them, for in Osteens words "that doesn't inspire," or that if he preaches a benign happy message he will not alienate the diverse audience of people that Jesus came to save that he has been "used by God to give hope." As much as i like Osteen I must always stand up for God and His wisdom. Ignorance does not free a man from responsibility. (Prov 1:28-29 / Hos 4:6)
By not teaching the solid food of the Bible, that is the deep and more complicated issues of the divine will, he condemns his followers and indeed himself from ever advancing to maturity as a Christian. (Heb 6:1, 5:14)
By refusing to reveal God's issues of right and wrong, of sin and redemption from sin, of the judgement sure to befall them, Osteen keeps himself and his followers ignorant of these vitally important issues so when the time comes they will be ill equipped to stand before God.
The benign and happy message of prosperity and divine blessing may not alienate from Osteen those Jesus came to save, but it absolutely alienates them from Christ for nowhere in Osteens sermons is taught how one through Christ can save their souls from sin. Yes, there is more to being saved than simply believing in Jesus. (How Can I Be Saved? (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1AQAhowtobesaved.html - broken link)See How Do I Get Saved?)
"God has a plan for you!" Osteen coos at every sermon, unfortunately, it is not the sunshine and lollipops gospel that he and the new age spiritists believe it is. There is so much more to know, so much happening that is concealed from their views. Jesus spoke of people such as these when he said "Let them be. Blind guides is what they are. If then a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit." (Matt 15:14)
~Repels God by seducing people into choosing ignorance over truth~
What is it then that makes the philosophy of the Law of Attraction seem to work? One or more of three things. One is coincidence: "A sequence of events that although accidental, seem to have been planned or arranged."
Another reason is that the demons who push this idea are more than happy to oblige person's requests just to back the idea up. They did in times past, they do so today. They know that the more evidence that seems to have accumulated under their lie, the more true it appears. (2Thess 2:99-12)
And lastly, the Law of Attraction is said to work for good or bad depending upon your outlook. As Michael Losier says "Like attracts like, we create our reality by what we think." So, as we turn our thoughts and feelings toward the positive we begin to act in harmony with those good feelings, becoming happier and friendlier and thus we attract, by our disposition, like-minded forward-moving persons who by their momentum move us forward toward better things as well. Conversely, if you are a negative grumpy person who cannot believe you are worthy of good things you will attract stagnant negative people who will help to hold you in place.
These are not the mysterious, magical, whimsical answers that spiritists like to give, but they are the simplest and most reasonable answers. God does not wish for you to live in fanciful imaginary places, no matter their appeal to you, but he wants you to have an accurate knowledge of the truth, a truth that will bring you everlasting life in His promised new world. (1Tim 2:3-4 / Col 1:9-10 / Phil 1:9-11 / Jh 17:3)
A word often heard from those who believe in the Law of Attraction is "Manifesting." Manifesting, according to the dictionary, means "To make clearly apparent to the understanding." But really, there is noting clearly apparent about the notion of making things appear, as if by magic, simply by sending positive thought into the universe. Perhaps tampering with a form of magical arts is truly what this is - well, we know from where the "magic" is coming from now, I hope. (If necessary please go back and read the Scriptures provided on spiritism.)
The demon spirits of "Abraham" claim our existence is for the fulfillment of our desires and all other teachers of this "law" concur. The fulfillment of ones desires is the driving force of this movement, everything about it is centered upon self satisfaction, seeking personal pleasure, making oneself happy. God's word speaks of these people today saying they would be "lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self assuming, haughty, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion (the abundant source) but proving it false to it's power..." ["and from these turn away."] (2Tim 3:1-5)
How haughty and self assuming it is to believe you can manipulate the powers of the universe (with no more than your thoughts) to do your bidding or that you and your worldly carnal desires are so important to God (or source) that He just sits up there waiting for you to become receptive to all the pleasures he craves to give you. How haughty indeed!
This takes me to the last two points I'd like to touch on, one is life's true purpose and the other is in the form of a question; "Doesn't God want us to be happy?" - Of course He does, but not in the sensual ways that we in our sinful state desire. For instance, God doesn't care a lick if we are financially well off. He knows it's harder for those who have much in this world to "disown" themselves. He knows it is difficult for those with money to see their need of Him and His Son. (Mr 4:18-19, 10:17-23 / Job 31:24-28) Jesus said "Stop storing up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, " (Matt 6:19-25) Likewise the apostle Paul said "So, having sustenance and covering, we shall be content with these things." (1Tim 6:7-10)
God does want us to be happy, but not to the exclusion of everything else. The joy God wishes we have is gained, not by positive expectation, not for gratification of fleshly desires, but by our faith in our God and His works. (Phil 1:25 / Rom 14:17, 15:13 / Isa 25:9, 65:17-18 / Lu 2:10-14 / Ps 35:9, 144:15, 97:12 / 1Thess 2:19:20) It is only in this joy that Christ could say "Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. Rejoice and leap for joy, since your reward is great in the heavens;" (Matt 5:11-12 / 1Pet 3:14, 4:14 / Jas 1:2 / Acts 5:40-41) Thus it is not in standing about expecting God to give us money or love or success or even health that gives real satisfaction, but it is found in the serving of God. (Heb 13:15 / Lu 22:26-27 / 1Cor 9:16-17 / 2Tim 4:2-5 / Acts 6:4) "...whoever wants to be great among you must be your minister, whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave. Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and give his life in exchange for many." (Matt 20:26-28)
(Joy of service - Lu 10:1-17, 22:26-27 / Heb 13:15 / Rom 15:13, 12:12 / Acts 20:35, 15:3, 13:48 & 52, 5:41, 65:14-18, 6:4 / 1Pet 1:8, 3:14, 4:14 / 1Cor 9:16-17 / 2Tim 4:2-5 / Ps 100:2, 97:12, 35:9 / Prov 16:20 / Neh 8:10 / James 1:2 / Matt 5:11-12)
I realize that "serving God" will not sound like a very appealing way to spend your life, not a means to happiness, not to many people, especially people still in the world - and by "in the world" I mean that you still live by and for a world that is to be wiped away. Jesus said his followers would be no part of the world, thus they would not share in or imitate it's ways. Many in Christendom are also in the world for they have no real understanding of what being no part of the world means. (NO PART OF THE WORLD? (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1AQAnopartworld.html - broken link)See Q&A No Part Of The World)
To those who understand and live their lives out of the world, serving God brings great joy because they know it brings great joy to God and they are assured too that they will be richly rewarded for their loyal service. (1Tim 4:16 / ) *[God's Kingdom, What, When, Where & Why? (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1Astudy5kingdom1.html - broken link)Study on God's Kingdom)
This brings us to the last point of this issue, our purpose here. One can turn to demon spirits for the answer, but you will surely be led astray, or you can turn to humans for the answer and just end up confused for there are as many human answers out there as there are humans, or you can trust your own heart to tell you what your purpose is, but the heart is treacherous and desperate and thus unreliable. (Jer 17:9) The best place to turn to in searching for our purpose here is to look to the One who put us here.
Christendom, that is every mainstream denomination and nondenominational faith, will tell you basically the same thing as the world, that your purpose is to live a successful life, good education, good job, nice home, happy family, safe retirement, financially covered funeral. They give you the same answers as anyone in the world would because they are part of the world. This answer, although the natural ambition of man, is not a purpose for which one should live. And if you think this sounds like a fine purpose then think of this, in this world ruled by sin, how many awful things can easily come into our lives and take our happiness quickly away. Lose of employment, loss of homes, illness, death, any number of things could happen. This is why Jesus says we should not store up treasures upon earth, for rust and moth (time and unforeseen occurrence - Eccl 9;11) consume and thieves break in and steal. (Matt 6:19-20) No, this is not our purpose.
You will get a much different answer from Jehovah's Witnesses who live by a theocracy, by God's rule, by God's word and this alone. Being so adherent to the Bible and it's teachings Jehovah's Witnesses are very much out of the world, their worship without spot from it, which is one of the identifying marks of the one true faith. (Eph 4:3-5 / Jas 1:27) (Study this site and you will see that they possess every identifying mark of true worship. Perhaps you could start On Jehovah's Witnesses (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/onjehovahswitnesses.html - broken link)HERE)
Sure, you can listen to the prejudice against us, you can feed into the hate the world has for us (Jh 15:18-21, Jh 17:14 / Matt 24:9), or, you can open your mind to understand our beliefs the way you opened your mind to "Abraham" and all the others you've been listening to. You will find our beliefs are not really so strange, they are just without spot from the world. You have nothing to lose by this and everything to gain.
Okay, the purpose of life...
Are you ready?
SERVING GOD!
That's right, serving God, and NOT expecting God to serve us. Our purpose is to get up off our spoiled, lazy behinds and serving God. It's the same answer to what makes us happy, deeply satisfied, content and at peace in a world full of fear and desperation. This is the real purpose of life.
Now wait a minute, don't go away now after you read everything else, this is important. I'm going to explain WHY serving God is our purpose and HOW to do it, but first,yet two more ways this philosophy repels God...
~Repels God by blinding people to real happiness~
Repels God by blinding people to their true purpose for being here.~
Now, on serving God...
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been said is, Fear the true God and keep His commandments for this is the whole obligation of man." Eccl 12:13
"He that says he remains in union with him is under obligation to go on walking just as that one (Jesus) walked." 1Jh 2:6
"Beloved ones, if this is how God loved us, then we are ourselves under obligation to love one another." 1Jh 4:11
FEAR GOD; which means to have great respect for Hi and a fear of displeasing Him because you love Him and want to make Him happy. ( Ps 112:1, 119:11)
KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS; which goes so much further than the 10 commandments and you will learn them as you study and come to know God. (1Jh 3:22, Jh 14:18, 21)
WALK AS JESUS WALKED; which means being a footstep follower, doing everything he did, including making God's name known and preaching the good news of the kingdom. (1Pet 2:21 / Jh 13:15)
LOVE ONE ANOTHER; love is the greatest commandment of God and we are to love as he loved us. (1Jh 4:16-19, 4:7-8 / Jh 13:34-35)
Is that it? No, but these are the basics. Each of these things can be elaborated on but for now I will elaborate only how Jesus walked because it is in imitating his example that we truly know what it is to serve God.
Jesus made the ministry his entire life's work, in fact he said "For this I have been born and for this I came into the world, to bear witness to the truth." (Jh 18:37) What was that truth and how did he bear witness to them?
He taught that he came to fulfill the prophesies that he was the messiah, that he came redeem man from their sin and offer them everlasting life. (Jh 14:6, 3:36, 3:16, 10:11) He taught God's kingdom, and he himself as king, which would rule the entire earth and bring blessings to mankind. (Lu 22:29, 1:32-33 / Matt 4:17, 6:33 / see also links on kingdom above)
He taught the bodily resurrection of the dead, showing by miracles that God gave him the power to do so. These will be resurrected into the new earth. He also taught the spiritual resurrection of the chosen little flock of 144,000 anointed ones. (Jh 5:28-29, 11:23-24 / Acts 9:36-41 / Lu 12:32 / Rev 20:4-5 / DEATH, WHAT IS IT? (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1Astudy2death1.html - broken link)see study on Death)
He taught truth uncompromisingly and renounced the false religious practice of the religious leaders of his day. (Jh 8:40-45 / Matt 15:1-9, 23:13-23) He made his Father's name, Jehovah, "manifest" to everyone and that that name be honored, teaching that his Father was God Almighty and that people should worship his Father. (Jh 14:28, 20:17, 4:23-24, 17:6 / Matt 6:9 / see also The Trinity Doctrine (http://www.wtv-zone.com/bibleguidance/1Astudy7trinity1.html - broken link)see also Trinity Study)
He taught us to watch for the sign of his presence for this would mark the last days of our world and that following the tribulation where Babylon the Great (false religion) goats and sheep would be taken care of, Armageddon would come to end human rule and abyss Satan and his demons. (Matt 24:3-51, 13:49-50, 25:31-32 & 46 / Dan 2:44 / Ps 37:10-11 / Rev 18:2-4, 20:1-3)
While Jesus taught more truths than these, these are the main truths. Jesus used every opportunity to preach, traveling all over the region, preaching in marketplaces, synagogues, in the streets, along the waterside, in gardens and mountainsides and from house to house. He taught his followers to do the very same.
(Matt 28:19-20, 24:24 / Lu 8:1 / Acts 20:27, 20:20, 26:20, 17:2, 5:42, 17:17 / Isa 12:4-5 / Col 1:28-29 / 1Cor 9:16-17 / 2Cor 10:4-5 / Rom 15:8-9 / Ezek 3:17-19 / 2Tim 4:2 / Prov 1:20-21 / )
Why is preaching things, in God's service, so important, why should it make anyone happy to do so? Well, first of all you should realize what a great privilege it is to preach these things to people? Christ said that now, in our very day, God would send a people out into the world to preach his truths. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only faith organized to accomplish this worldwide work. To us it is a blessing and an honor to know we have this work to do. Why? Because it is a lifesaving work, everyone who listens and comes to the truth will be rewarded with everlasting life in paradise. (Matt 24:14 says "This good news...will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" It is a warning sound, for a witness, a warning, to all the nations before the tribulation, "and then the end will come." (Rom 10:13-14)
Knowing you are in the work of God, in the work of saving lives, is the most profound purpose one could ever have and this brings far greater happiness and joy than the "manifesting" or "expecting" of the fulfillment of fleshly desires ever could. This is why Jehovah's Witnesses are seen on street corners, in the marketplaces, knocking on doors, it is a wonderful and important work, a joyous purpose.
This is new to many of you, things you've perhaps never heard or never thought of before, but I ask you to think about them, really contemplate the meaning of it all. Think about all the things God is trying to teach you through the Scriptures you've read here. And if you haven't read them, please, go back and do so.
You can believe your purpose is to live a successful life, job, house, car, family, retirement, or you can believe your purpose is self gratification through manifesting, energy collecting or source expecting, or you can step up. Come to God and serve Him in the most important meaningful purpose you could ever have, and realize, that is the ONLY purpose, the ONLY way you will gain the REAL life, everlasting life in a beautiful world ruled by God's kingdom.
Good stuff.
I really liked the points you made on God and His Name...But are you sure that is the name of God?
I have the seven seals of Moses...and in a list of names to call on the Powers that be...Jehova is one of the spirits Names...but does not seems to put itsself above the other names to call on...infact there seem to be many names to call to envoke the powers that be...to do the bidding of the one chanting the names.
If Jehova was God's name, and I have not found that name in my Holy Bible...Then it comes from this list in some degree, and it also might come from Jehova witness, and maybe the Jewish Torrah...as JWHW.
But that pronounciation is a bit off key in my mind with us today, as the real sounding of those letters is somewhat lost.
So id Jehova God's name?...God proclaims "Tell them That I AM has sent you"
So what is that name being proclaimed By God?...I AM?
Another take on WHO or WHAT God is...comes to us through the Bible and in Genesis....the beginiing is in part what God is....the creator.
And in this begining this creator...was...and that is all there was...everything was without form...Nothing was made except him or her or it calling itself the creator...before he or she or it created.
Now how does something live...that has no reality? other than a void of nothingness to ponder?
In some regrads a place to ponder is necessary.
So this creator created a place in space which was also made from the void this creator found itself in.
And the story Goes on to say this God...made a Garden!!!
So if we protract on that...we could say that God wanted a Garden of delight...and God named it EDEN....a eternal estate that could be multiplied out into the universe for ever!
In that Garden God made many wonders...and many wonders surounded it, that God made Good....and he , she , it Put these things in order and in place...to be what they were all suppose to be...in there right placements!
So now God has not only a space to ponder, but a place to live, and a reason to live, and know, and be, and be God the creator, at the center point of his Creation, and our lives...by sowing those seeds.....is the creator born again!
Now we have to stretch the imagination to the right degree of knowledge.
Moses bent down infront of a Particular plant, that was burning with out burning or being consummed by fire (WITHOUT BURNING OR BEING CONSUMMED BY FIRE), and speaking to his mind....Holy ground is made with the plant Moses saw,(REMOVE THY SANDLES FROM OFF THY FEET< FOR THIS IS HOLY GROUND>) and this plant is some how connected to the Biblical accounting, and the EDEN principles...when we take that Plant and restore it sinlessly to put back the controller....the creator...and or that paradise God the creator made good, or willed into being as his will to make.....tame...ordered...in peace...and eternally forever...
DO you see any truth to this kind of mind set?
Why is God or Jehova non existant in the flesh?
Could be because God is not truly Flesh in his, her, its true nature??....But it does need to be tended to...(SERVE ONLY GOD)....So God made Humans to tend and Keep that Garden...to serve, and be served By God, thorugh it, and us doing what GOD said to do, and sais to do there after...in keeping it clean, and unprofaned, and in all righteousness...and as Given!.
That is a plants understanding of why Humans Were made.
Now if we take Genesis 1:11, 1:12, 1:29, **2:15**, ***9:3***
And the reason for ADAM AND EVES fall from grace...Eating of a certain one of a kind tree , that was at the center of the Garden..(the controller) we see Humans eating God, to become like God...only brings them death and ruin....even thought God saw that the tree was good for food....the seeds was more important to preserve so more could be made.....perhaps?
So God says do not eat me, for "I am" The only one, and the only one I AM...and they ate it all!
So by process of Elimination and the Holy Bible...and Jesus coming in the flesh to teach us it is all Good when taken with thanksgiving and prayer...and used in good manner...and for the betterment of the whole world....God aproves its use!
And all THe things God made that are made "good and clean"...are not to be "profaned" or "misjudged by us".
Acts 10:15 speaks on this...
So those things need to be resotred...Acts 3:21, Rev 17:17
And When we do this, we recreate EDEN...and Like signs attract...SO the first EDEN...is Attracted to the LIKENESS OF THE SECOND EDEN....And God is born again!...the kingdom of God is multiplied out...in the fractal of nature!
From Everything Good...came something Very Bad.....and from Something very bad, came something Greatly over looked, Misjudged, outlawed, imprisoned, slaughtered, profaned, twisted out of true form, by us, and stamped out of existance in many nations...PROHIBITED around the world!
WHY?
Marijuana...and now other plants God Gave us....??
MARIJUANA could be JWHW...the plant of Oil for the anointing of Christ Jesus....
Janjah..Gangah...TOA ...GJYAH...these are all terms made for LIFE....the tree of LIFE is a Tree ...and it lives on both sides of reality...both X and Y quadrants of existance...since Jesus put it back where it belonged and was taken back by God into the first creation...for doing his service!
Thos who do the will of the father shall enter paradise....those who don;t won't!....and they will never have it either!
Marijuana...
It is a filtration system for the eco systems, and has been well rooted in many cultures on many continents!
It is also food for many different living things...that if removed from the chain of life it causes a shift in the eco systems nature!...TAME. to..WILD...
And when this food is removed certain living things need to resort to other foods not native to them...(become pestilences)..and we trespass on them, and respond to that by poisoning them when they become that pestilence on our food supply????????
What madeness is at word here?
THis plant also connects the sun, to the earth, and the waters of life flow through it...and transpire through it from Soil to Air...Purifying the breath of God....Oxygen maker, and CO2 consummer on a very wide scale!
And spreading the water around the earth...so it becomes abundantly giving.....when we compost and till, and sow those seeds sinlessly!!!!
And it can climatize the planet naturally..when sown in a certain light..
Yes it can climatatize this world...Because it stores Solar energy as heat and radiated this out at night.
It is also a Way to make clothing....God says he feeds us, and he Cloths us....and Jesus conferms it by saying that God Cloths the flowers of the fields with magnificance, and yet they go to the fire...how much more would he cloth those who Do his will, and fulfill his world?...sac cloth is also mentioned in the Bible....and Hemp Marijuana makes Sac cloth!!!...and oil for the body...containing Omega 3's!!! and is a ALPHA of Plants!
See a funny catch to that Genesis 2:15 with 9:3 seems to be a common theme...as God's will, and his word..
Marijuana is a green plant God gave us to use wisely and sinlessly restore Eden with.
It is also a fuel that burns cleaner than Dead Blood..which is now polluting the world with all kinds of desasterious estates!
ETHANOL is the key to a better world order...under God....than this biohazardious dead Blood thursty estate they have everyone making with that dead blood and engraven image idol...!
And look they now kill people with no real reason these days in bent warfare!!!...just to make it...so they can suck it up and burn it on the other end for profits and gains......to pollute the planet even more for a higher and higher cost to live in it.....
When God said I give you Everything !
And to tend and keep the Garden...seems to be falling on death dumb and unintelligent ears these Days...
Are we working for God and the Garden and our health and peace with all things????.....or are we working for MONEY and a polluted world order of ill health, finite end, and eventual distruction of this planet?
Something to be mindful of....?
Now I might not be right about God...But this Bible says if we follow the words of God...and tend to the lands, and follow his commandments..and stand out of sin...and restore those plants to their rightful places....and do it all.....REV 17:17....Then God will help us come back to the abundantly Giving estates, and good healthcare for all the living things....and eventually Eternal life.
This is part of the fractal....we do not understand!....we are in part partners with it, but have fallen from tending to it in good repore...and in our bent direction away from it, in presuit of MONEY and Wealth....Planet Earth is dying by our lack of scope, and or intelligence!
If we pollute it, we pollute ourselves!
So the Angel Sais: "Do not profane what God has made Clean"
And what is made clean?....ALL THAT GOD MADE GOOD is ALL CLEAN...as Jesus Sais: "It is all Good when taken with thanksgiving and Prayer"
And who do we thank?
God the creator of everything!
Now in some odd form...maybe God was a Plant...of some grand design in a void that became self aware, and needed help...to continue or make a place where it could continue, after some bent war that was in heaven, which destroyed everything but God...God in the spirit went into the plant, to continue on...
And in some odd way God is remaking what was...before the fall..before the destruction....before the creation...there was only God and the word was with God....And the word spoke a word that brought it all into being!!!
JESUS was the Word!...and in that both God and the word were together in creating this place called EDEN.
Which seems not to be this place Called Earth.
God sais he drove Adam and Eve out of EDEN....into something else that was like it but WIld and untamed!
And said it is wild because of you, Because of you it is like this, After eating of the tree told not to...
So in the first degree, disobediance is the broken marker
In the second degree is the eating of the seed or fruit of a one of a kind Tree God put at the center point, or it was God at the center point...only one...I AM.
And in eating of the fruit and seed, they created extinction of that one of a kind tree!
Death was created for it....and God sent Adam and Eve into Death to restore it back to life!..."TILL< SOW< AND GROW IT" SINLESSLY TO RESOTRE IT.
Makes a opposite occur...what was taken in disobediance, is resotred sinlessly....
Undoes the curse of Death??????????? Has anyone tried this??????????????
How long has it been since someone walked down that path?
Only Jesus an a few Good men?
As I said the mindlessness of some people , seems bent to a false demigod...
Breaking the second commandment, also breaks the first...and if we break them.....well we break em all! = SIN = Death...constantly!
And sin is the disobediance of God....and not doing his will, or fulfilling his word...only Goes to our own destruction more and more!
Funny lines of parallels..Paradoxes...and dementia are upon this world.
Wonder why Crop circles make those patterns?
Speaking to God it would seem...is a mathimatical equation of the fractaled mind!
We are no longer working for the greator Good of God, or the Garden...
Money has misdirected us down a very bad road of destruction, and suffering, and warfare..hatred...and other mutation that should never be....but are!
And it is all being done, while they prohibite a certain plant or plants from being sown freely by the people, for the people...by God's own word as GIVEN!
Wonder why?
Maybe it is so the EVIL and SINNERS Could abound?
So is it vital that we Know God's real name?....if we cannot do what God says?...or what is logically sound in not only mind, heart and spirit of God...but of us?
Sir Les: First an editorial suggestion: it's not necessary to copy the entire content of another poster's information, especially when it's as long as the OP's. Unless you are referencing specific lines, you might simply as something like "as regards so-an-so's idea about...", or "the OP's post", or, "in regard to your line where you state "blah blah blah...", I'd like to say this:"
But to first post his entire massive wall of text followed by your own rambling text that would require us to scroll back up and down between his and your comments? Quite a workout for the scroll command!
Like that. Simplified and easily read. Yours and the OP's posts are somewhat like cracking open the bible, when I'm sure you had a simpler presentation in mind. As well, I can imagine the moderator groaning when he/she sees such massive posts! Have a little compassion for your readers!
As to yours and others follow-up comments, consider that not all of humanity needs nor seeks input or counseling from the Lord God. For so many of us, this word of God simply does not resonate at all. To assume your position, that we should be obedient and attentive to such conceptualizations is to assume we are interested, or that we all need the same level of outside intervention in our spirituality as you might.
This is obviously not the case.
That said, many of your points are also assumptive, but I won't bother to point them out other to say that you have reversed logic; you take a point and mold a Godly perspective to fit the reality. Not a healthy approach.
Sorry for the delay in responding to your question. Please note that I am new to this forum, and I am still learning how to respond to other people's posts; and to find mine...smile!
Now to your question (the reason for the disconnect is due, I believe, to a belief in a God...a creator, outside of ourselves...somewhere in space...in a place called heaven, a heaven external to ourselves). When we are taught that our Source is outside of ourselves....which then causes us to adopt a belief in " lack and separation." Not only do we believe that we are separate from our Source-God, we also adopt the view that we are separate from each other.
To illiminate this idea, and or concept of separation, we need to redefine what we believe relative to our concept of the omnipresence of God, or Spirit. I believe that there is only one "Presence", and that One Presence is what we call God... There is not a place where this One Presence is not Present. Therefore, it must be in all places, and in everyone. Therefore, if that is true, and I believe that it is....then we are all connected through this One Source-this One Presence...we call God.
However, far too many of us are not consciously aware of our interconnectedness. Therefore, we live our lives as if we are not connected....hurting and abusing one another.... how sad and unfortunate it is, for us to live in mind with thoughts of separation. our thoughts are reflected in our behaviors-towards ourselves and others.
sorry for the long post.
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