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Old 11-14-2023, 11:28 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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In that case, how are you defining "slavery"?
A system where human beings are bought and sold or otherwise acquired as chattel for forced labor.

 
Old 11-14-2023, 12:19 PM
 
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All slavery is morally objectionable. I don’t indulge the semantical notion that what you describe even remotely qualifies as enslavement.
It'd be a shame to actually compare apples to apples.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 12:31 PM
 
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Six pages in, the progress of this discussion is still flat-lined. But it's not from lack of highlighting the evils of slavery.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 12:58 PM
 
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It'd be a shame to actually compare apples to apples.
I don’t know if you’re saying that in or against my favor, but I guess it doesn’t really matter either way.

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Six pages in, the progress of this discussion is still flat-lined. But it's not from lack of highlighting the evils of slavery.
Then inject some life into it, if you’re dissatisfied with the state of the discussion.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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A system where human beings are bought and sold or otherwise acquired as chattel for forced labor.
Thank you. That brings much more clarity to the discussion.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 01:30 PM
 
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American slavery was unique. It was race based, hereditary and based on the status of the mother. In English Common Law, the child's status followed the father's normally. Even up to around 1800 slavery was seen as a necessary evil, but by then for over 100 years how to reconcile slavery with religion was debated. Can slaves become Christians, can a Christian enslave another Christian? And what of Jews conducting a Passover Seder celebrating freedom from slavery while being served by chattel slaves?

There were many arguments used for slavery. In 1843, Josiah Priest published Slavery, as it Relates to the Negro, or African Race. It defends slavery using Genesis and Noah's curse on Ham whom Priest said had black skin. -- Leviticus 25:44-46 also was used to justify it.

And as offensive as it is, slaves were simply not seen as people, but as property. In VA, they were real estate. As convoluted as it seems, if slaves were property, they were not people and hence for those who took this view, there was conflict. Only when recognizing a slave's humanity was there an issue.

I am old and grew up at the tail end of segregation during the era of "Massive Resistance." We were taught in public school - ours was not closed, but it was segregated - that not only was slavery Biblical, but that slaves were fed, housed and clothed and isn't that a good thing?

And even after slavery was abolished, the Bible was used to justify segregation. In Loving v. Virginia, Judge Brazile justified Virginia's position: Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix. Genesis 4.11-26, 6.1-7 were often cited as the first separation of the races.

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Old 11-14-2023, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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No, it's the human condition. Or have you achieved perfect self-mastery in every aspect of your life?
Yes I have. I am perfection.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 02:47 PM
 
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Thank you. That brings much more clarity to the discussion.
It's the common, primary definition.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 02:48 PM
 
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Of course it is, it's merely a matter of degree and kind.

Where do you draw the line as to when slavery becomes morally objectionable?
In slavery, there doesn't need to be any line.
 
Old 11-14-2023, 02:57 PM
 
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Yes I have. I am perfection.
That begs the question: Why would a person who has achieved nirvana spend time with us rubes on city-data?
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