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Old 06-01-2023, 11:41 AM
 
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Oftentimes our first instinct is to attack what we fear.
Absolutely, yes. And behavious based on fear are not rational.
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Old 06-01-2023, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It depends on the sect. The sect I was raised in literally believed “god” was an invisible man living in the sky (or outer space) that watched everything everyone did at all times.
And I remember in our Methodist church paintings that depicted just that.
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Old 06-01-2023, 11:49 AM
 
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And I remember in our Methodist church paintings that depicted just that.
Did you ever HEAR a preacher say that? That God is an invisible man in the sky?
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Old 06-01-2023, 12:17 PM
 
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100:5.5 (1099.3) But emotion alone is a false conversion; one must have faith as well as feeling. To the extent that such psychic mobilization is partial, and in so far as such human-loyalty motivation is incomplete, to that extent will the experience of conversion be a blended intellectual, emotional, and spiritual reality.

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...man-experience

194:3.16 (2065.4) Before Pentecost the apostles had given up much for Jesus. They had sacrificed their homes, families, friends, worldly goods, and positions. At Pentecost they gave themselves to God, and the Father and the Son responded by giving themselves to man—sending their spirits to live within men. This experience of losing self and finding the spirit was not one of emotion; it was an act of intelligent self-surrender and unreserved consecration.

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...l-spirit-truth
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Old 06-01-2023, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Did you ever HEAR a preacher say that? That God is an invisible man in the sky?
No, but it was the preacher who put the paintings up.

But wait a minute. Now that I think of it, there were times the minister called on us to bow our heads in prayer, and other times he told us to look up to the heavens. Hmmm.

But, you need to remember what my point is. I don't believe there is a god, so I'm not saying he's up in the clouds. My point is that there are christians who believe that sort of thing.
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Old 06-01-2023, 12:34 PM
 
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No, but it was the preacher who put the paintings up.

But wait a minute. Now that I think of it, there were times the minister called on us to bow our heads in prayer, and other times he told us to look up to the heavens. Hmmm.

But, you need to remember what my point is. I don't believe there is a god, so I'm not saying he's up in the clouds. My point is that there are christians who believe that sort of thing.
"No, but...."

You seem to be all about that. Nevermind what Christians ACTUALLY believe, right? Because you know better.
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Old 06-01-2023, 12:43 PM
 
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Here’s a hypothesis: “god” is actually an emotion, not a person who lives in the sky somewhere.

It would explain why so many people believe in “god” even though there is no evidence for an actual person known as “god.”

So there is anger, fear, love, hate, happiness, and god.

How’s that for a working hypothesis?
Another person that believes man created God? LOL
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Old 06-01-2023, 12:50 PM
 
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We all agree that exterminating Jews was evil and wrong. But the Nazis in 1943 didn't think so.
They were objectively wrong and suffered the consequences.
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We all agree that human sacrifice is wrong, but there have been numerous civilizations over the years that have practiced it.
They also were objectively wrong and suffered the consequences. They don't exist anymore.


It is a subjective decision how to define for yourself what's good and what's bad (morality). But once the decision is made, the consequences of the action informed by this subjective understanding can be easily and objectively evaluated and it becomes crystal clear whether your subjective understanding of what is good/bad was right or wrong.

There is no any need for any supernatural moral guidance. Once again, god proved to be useless.

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Old 06-01-2023, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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"No, but...."

You seem to be all about that. Nevermind what Christians ACTUALLY believe, right? Because you know better.
Well, I was raised in the methodist church and lived as a catholic for decades.

On the other hand, you often tell us what atheists think...and you've never been one.
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Old 06-01-2023, 01:15 PM
 
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Oftentimes our first instinct is to attack what we fear.
Religion in the wrong hands is to be feared.
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