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Old 04-28-2023, 02:09 PM
 
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Want undeniable proof God doesn't care whether Christianity spreads or not? Want undeniable proof Jesus breaks his promise to protect missionaries thousands and thousands of times?

First some stats:

"Foreign and indigenous missionaries in the unreached and unengaged world are being hung out to dry as they try to reach the people groups in the 10/40 Window. If they were fully funded, there is a great chance that we could finish the task of reaching the world for Jesus."

https://davidjoannes.com/shocking-st...ssions-giving/


Did you catch that? Foreign missionaries trying to spread Jesus to desolate parts of the world are woefully underfunded. They need money desperately to bring Jesus to the indigenous people.

As it happens, God missed a terrific opportunity to fund spreading the message that he wants all people to believe in his son, Jesus:

The Powerball lottery money up for grabs on Nov 8, 2022 was 2 billion---that 2 BILLION dollars--the largest lottery jackpot in human history. God could have had any one of the 2.3 billion Christians in the world whose heart burns for spreading Jesus to buy a single lottery ticket and God could have worked a miracle giving them the winning numbers so they could donate the money to the missionary field.

But as luck would have it--and we're only talking about pure luck here, folks--a young hedonistic man of 30 years of age by the name of Edwin Castro wandered into his local gas station on November 8, 2022 and bought a single winning ticket in Altadena Ca and instantly went from poverty to billionaire. He wasted no time spending his windfall. He bought a $250,00 vintage Porsche, then a $25 MILLION dollar home in Hollywood Hills where he now rubs shoulder with the biggest movie stars in the business, and then bought a $4 MILLION pad in his home town of Altadena to crash in when he's too lazy to make the 18 mile drive to Hollywood Hills. Next up for Mr. Castro no doubt: a yacht and a private jet.

"Smiling $2B Powerball winner Edwin Castro spotted palling around town in vintage Porsche"

"His big smile totally makes cents.

The lucky 30-year-old, from California, was dressed down in a quarter-zip Under Armour shirt, joggers and flip-flops while running his errand at a Chase bank with a pal on Wednesday. He added a whopping $997.6 million to his account when he won the largest lottery prize in US history last year."


https://nypost.com/2023/04/26/2b-pow...g-out-at-bank/

Now I just want readers to contemplate a couple of questions:

In what kind of crazy mixed-up universe does a God, who made the earth and its inhabitants solely for his son, Jesus to come into the world to die to save us from our sins, and then command his believers to spread the Good News to every living creature then turn around and give a giant jackpot of 2 BILLION bucks, that could have brought tens of thousands of heathens to Jesus, give all that loot to a pleasure-seeking individual to spend on luxuries like automobiles, homes, private jets and the rest?

Ask yourselves another question: who could use that money better to spread the gospel of Jesus to every living creature as he commanded--a pleasure-seeking hedonist OR a missionary organizations whose calling it is to bring the name of Jesus to every corner of world?

Well, apparently far as God is concerned, it is the sensual-seeking sybarite Edwin Castro who needs the money more than the missionaries charged with spreading Jesus' name throughout the world. Edwin Castro, the luckiest man in the world thus far hasn't showed the slightest inclination to give a dime to God's work.

So ask yourselves this mind-bending question:

When God's people need money desperately to spread the gospel of Jesus, why does God allow a fun-seeking hedonist to win it?

If you puzzle about this completely crazy upside-down turn of events and try to make sense of it maybe you can convince yourselves that the reason is that God doesn't touch dirty filthy lucre from lotteries, even though God would be happy as a lark to take the money if a lottery winner had donated it.

Now run this through your addled brain:

God apparently doesn't want a Christian to win the Powerball BUT God will take the money if a Christian donates it!

In what universe does that make the slightest bit of sense?

It does make sense in the REAL world if you consider that God if he exists doesn't care one iota whether Jesus' name and his message is brought to every living creature as Jesus commands in the gospels as these events show. Nor does God get involved one iota with the Christian enterprise of spreading the gospel of Jesus, again as these events show.

God simply doesn't care about Jesus and whether his gospel gets to people. I've just shown you the proof.

Now about the other matter:

Jesus specifically promised he'd protect missionaries from harm in Mark 16:15-18

"He said to the apostles: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. And these signs will accompany those who believe: they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all."

Meditate on Jesus promise as you read the stories below:

"Funeral held for missionary family killed in Palau"

"Hundreds turned out for a state funeral to remember three members of a missionary family who were beaten and stabbed in what the republic's [of Palau] president described as "a heinous crime that has never been experienced in the republic before."

https://www.myplainview.com/news/art...au-8983483.php

And this:

Two Missionaries Murdered in Jamaica

"The family of an Iowa missionary murdered in Jamaica nearly seven years ago said justice is finally served. Randy Hentzel, from Ankeny, was with another missionary, Harold Nichols, when they were killed in 2016."

https://www.kcrg.com/2023/02/01/fami...inally-served/

The next time a Christian tells you that Jesus wants his gospel spread across the world, gently show them that apparently Yahweh, his dad doesn't.

And if they try to BS you with "That was a promise to be protected if you drink poison, not being butchered with a machete" just look them like this:


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Old 04-28-2023, 02:57 PM
 
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Hi, lol, I didn't get past the first sentence before I had a question, that must be a record!!!

When did Jesus say he would protect missionaries? Didn't protect his apostles or the ones in the Coliseum being
attacked by lions...that WE could see, anyway...of course, he may have transformed their consciousnesses
beyond the body into ecstasy, who will ever know.

But, you say he broke his promise?
Seems most that try to 'spread his message' get s*** upon, to me. Kinda old news.
And ones being spread to (ever see the movie Hawaii? It's a thing of nightmares), had a VERY tough time of it. Um, Native Americans?
From 1923 TV series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHxsDBgIRI

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Old 04-28-2023, 03:19 PM
 
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There's no irrefutable proof for someone who has already made up their mind to believe without a basis in valid evidence.

Since, like all holy books, the Bible is just a vague template without much in the way of specifics, there's also the simple fact that you can equally say that god blesses the righteous and confounds the wicked, and that god has promised adversity and hardship to his followers. Also there's a lot to unpack in words like "bless" and "righteous". You can just call a calamity a blessing [in disguise] or claim that someone isn't sufficiently and correctly righteous.
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Old 04-28-2023, 04:07 PM
 
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Just how is not having enough money "irrefutable proof" ?

I just don't see the connection here.
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Old 04-28-2023, 04:21 PM
 
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Hi, lol, I didn't get past the first sentence before I had a question, that must be a record!!!

When did Jesus say he would protect missionaries? Didn't protect his apostles or the ones in the Coliseum being
attacked by lions...that WE could see, anyway...of course, he may have transformed their consciousnesses
beyond the body into ecstasy, who will ever know.

But, you say he broke his promise?
Seems most that try to 'spread his message' get s*** upon, to me. Kinda old news.
And ones being spread to (ever see the movie Hawaii? It's a thing of nightmares), had a VERY tough time of it. Um, Native Americans?
From 1923 TV series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtHxsDBgIRI

Miss Hepburn, quick question


Who is the "they" in Mark 16:18 referring to?
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Old 04-28-2023, 04:52 PM
 
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There's no irrefutable proof for someone who has already made up their mind to believe without a basis in valid evidence.

Since, like all holy books, the Bible is just a vague template without much in the way of specifics, there's also the simple fact that you can equally say that god blesses the righteous and confounds the wicked, and that god has promised adversity and hardship to his followers. Also there's a lot to unpack in words like "bless" and "righteous". You can just call a calamity a blessing [in disguise] or claim that someone isn't sufficiently and correctly righteous.

This is true, mordant. I'm speaking primarily to the people who are contemplating joining Christianity on the basis of untruths promulgated by Christians who try to lead unsuspecting dupes into Christianity's snare.



Mark 16:18 was added by later churchmen hundreds of years after the original was written. The question is "why"? Why would churchmen add into the text a specific promise made by Jesus that the churchmen, having witnessed the executions of Christians in the Coliseum by Diocletian, knew Jesus couldn't possibly keep?
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Old 04-28-2023, 05:02 PM
 
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Just how is not having enough money "irrefutable proof" ?

I just don't see the connection here.

Something is blinding you to what I am saying. Could it be Christianity, I wonder?


Answer a few questions for me:

Does God want the gospel of Jesus to go to the heathen?

If yes, then why didn't he direct the 2 billion to the missionaries who could use the money for his purpose?

If no, then I am right.

Does God need money for his missionaries?

If yes, then why didn't God direct that 2 billion to the missionaries?

If no, they why are missionaries hurting for money to do their missionary work?

Could those missionaries have used that 2 BILLION dollars for their missionary work?

If yes, then why didn't God direct it to them?

If no, then why are they crying for more money?

Start with answering those three questions and then we can proceed.
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Old 04-28-2023, 05:02 PM
 
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This is true, mordant. I'm speaking primarily to the people who are contemplating joining Christianity on the basis of untruths promulgated by Christians who try to lead unsuspecting dupes into Christianity's snare.



Mark 16:18 was added by later churchmen hundreds of years after the original was written. The question is "why"? Why would churchmen add into the text a specific promise made by Jesus that the churchmen, having witnessed the executions of Christians in the Coliseum by Diocletian, knew Jesus couldn't possibly keep?
This is a good example of how agressively negative you are.

The vast majority of christians are not intentionally promugatling untruths. They believe what they're preaching. Secondly, they don't look at people as "unsuspecting dupes" or christianity as a "snare".

If you modified your language to be more civil, more people might seriously consider what you're preaching.
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Old 04-28-2023, 05:20 PM
 
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This is a good example of how agressively negative you are.

The vast majority of christians are not intentionally promugatling untruths. They believe what they're preaching. Secondly, they don't look at people as "unsuspecting dupes" or christianity as a "snare".

If you modified your language to be more civil, more people might seriously consider what you're preaching.

The vast majority of Christian are towing the Christian line when they say, "Jesus is prophesied in the Old Testament" and "Jesus is better attested in history than Julius Caesar" and "All the apostles were willing to die for their faith" and "The gospels were written by eyewitnesses to Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. The point is they are unwittingly spreading propaganda in an effort to lure people into Christianity.



Do you use a friend's Netflix account on the basis he said it was okay to do? You committed a crime, albeit unwittingly. That doesn't absolve you of the penalty the law will impose if you're caught. Good luck trying to convince the judge you didn't know it was a crime.



Christians are doing the same thing.


What's your thoughts about why churchmen added mark 16:18 to the text?
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Old 04-28-2023, 05:31 PM
 
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Want undeniable proof God doesn't care whether Christianity spreads or not? Want undeniable proof Jesus breaks his promise to protect missionaries thousands and thousands of times?

First some stats:

"Foreign and indigenous missionaries in the unreached and unengaged world are being hung out to dry as they try to reach the people groups in the 10/40 Window. If they were fully funded, there is a great chance that we could finish the task of reaching the world for Jesus."

https://davidjoannes.com/shocking-st...ssions-giving/


Did you catch that? Foreign missionaries trying to spread Jesus to desolate parts of the world are woefully underfunded. They need money desperately to bring Jesus to the indigenous people.
Maybe God feels that Indigenous people have the right to honor the Creator in their own way.
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