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I have ZERO respect for those mere humans who believe that God needs them to enforce His laws and administer human punishments for them!!! What hubris and self-righteousness!! God has no need of your enforcement nor is He likely to treat you kindly for having engaged in it!! We have no authority to enforce God's laws on anyone but OURSELVES, period!!!
Amen.
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Originally Posted by Oakback
This " wrong doer" has One perfect Judge.
And it ain't anyone on this forum
Why, I wonder, does someone get away with a moniker like truth teller!?!
I mean, considering what accusations of hubris, arrogance and all manner of evil things I've seen lodged against people who use that word, truth, truths, I'm surprised truth teller has not been similarly branded and seriously admonished for the AUDACITY to use such a moniker as well. Never mind all the rest! Never mind the topic of the thread. There it is again!
I have ZERO respect for those mere humans who believe that God needs them to enforce His laws and administer human punishments for them!!! What hubris and self-righteousness!! God has no need of your enforcement nor is He likely to treat you kindly for having engaged in it!! We have no authority to enforce God's laws on anyone but OURSELVES, period!!!
I don't have much more respect for anyone who wants to suggest they know the first thing about what such a thing is, is not, or better than the next person who wants to claim knowledge or insight about such a thing. Hardly different than complaining about a dog barking, as if one dog's bark is all that different from the next all considered. Listen to all of them and for long enough, and they all end up sounding like the same thing...
I don't have much more respect for anyone who wants to suggest they know the first thing about what such a thing is, is not, or better than the next person who wants to claim knowledge or insight about such a thing. Hardly different than complaining about a dog barking, as if one dog's bark is all that different from the next all considered. Listen to all of them and for long enough, and they all end up sounding like the same thing...
"Knowing" that emanates from experience is somewhat different than knowing from other means. Your seeming inability to make such discriminations has been noted. Nuance is not part of everyone's perceptions.
"Knowing" that emanates from experience is somewhat different than knowing from other means. Your seeming inability to make such discriminations has been noted. Nuance is not part of everyone's perceptions.
I put all the claims of knowing in the same sort of collection. Heard one heard them all...
But of course all such claims of knowing are to be believed by everyone else. That too is pretty much the "dime a dozen" sort of thinking that makes one hardly distinguishable from the next, and not all that different from those who also know what they do from other means. Everyone knows what they know in any case. No matter the similarities or differences. A "free for all" of knowing that rises above the sort of scrutiny those not so "knowing" are not so quick to accept as truth without something more and a little better than mere say so.
people who are not believers, God will put them in Hell for ever even if they are good
and people who are believers in some true messengers of Allah and do not believe in one true Messenger of Allah
God will put them in Hell
The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad,
he who amongst the community of jews or Christians hears about me,
but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent
and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire
In God we believe that every matter in this life , has a law for it in the final Holy Book and/or
in the saying [Hadith] of the final Messenger of Allah
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)
And We have sent down to you the Book (the Qur'an) as an exposition of everything,
a guidance, a mercy, and glad tidings for those who have submitted themselves (to Allah as Muslims).
In God we believe people who are not believers, God will put them in Hell for ever even if they are good and people who are believers in some true messengers of Allah and do not believe in one true Messenger of Allah
God will put them in Hell The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad,he who amongst the community of jews or Christians hears about me,but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sentand dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.
Jesus was a believer and righteous Jesus on the day he died went to hell - Acts 2:27
Not to some religious-myth hell, but to biblical hell the common stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead - Ecclesiastes 9:5
KJV translated the word Gehenna into English a hell fire and that wrongly put flames in the grave.
'Sleeping in death' is as Jesus and the OT teach at Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18 besides John 11:11-14.
Biblical hell is the temporary grave til Resurrection Day - John 6:40,44 - meaning Jesus' coming one-thousand year day when the resurrected out-of-hell/grave Jesus will governing over Earth. - Rev. 1:18
Then, even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
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