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Old 12-09-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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For the record, I understand why my views are routinely disparaged as derails while others' beliefs are not. They render atheists' entire "God-Free" worldview moot! Nevertheless, my beliefs about God indicate even WE are physical manifestations of God as His offspring. That is what offspring do. They manifest their parentage. Everything is a manifestation of God, IMO.
For the record, I don't believe your views because the views you express are gnostic. And the apostles were quite clearly against gnosticism.
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:12 PM
 
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All the devils and wicked fallen angel could go out in outer space as when they fly around like when they are UFOs as these UFO are actually a spirit ... But they tend to stay on the earth, where outer space is isolation according to a quote from Jesus Holy Spirit ...... God could live out in distant area of outer space but The Heart of God is the people of the earth
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:50 PM
 
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The ancient Egyptians couldn't explain the Sun. So they made up a story that it was Ra riding his flaming chariot across the sky.

Medieval Europeans described thunderstorms and earthquakes to God manifesting his displeasure.

In the 19th century, the observed age of the Earth did not appear to comport with the fact that the planet was still largely molten.

The ancient Egyptians were ignorant of gravity and nuclear fusion.

Medieval Europeans were ignorant of electricity and weather dynamics.

19th century science had not yet revealed nuclear decay.

Thus are laid bare the perils of equating "Well, we don't understand why X occurs." with "My favorite deity is responsible for X!".
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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What is amazing is that everyone will be happy to say "I don't know"...but they WON'T consider a divine cause. They do this with other things when the most reasonable solution IS a creator.
Invoking the first cause is problematic simply because as Bertrand Russell used to say. "If we needed God to make the universe...then who made God?"

However, I think that while most reasonable atheists say that they don't believe because there is no evidence of supernatural intervention... We can assume that since we are here it isn't out of the realm of possibility that there is a creator.

The issue is that if there is a God...then why does it have to be the one that is defined by any specific religion. As a Christian you put a lot of parameters on God that don't necessarily have to be true. These would be true of all religions.

Deism works pretty well because the Deist believers in a creator but doesn't claim to know much about said creator.
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Old 12-10-2022, 06:40 AM
 
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Invoking the first cause is problematic simply because as Bertrand Russell used to say. "If we needed God to make the universe...then who made God?"
It's easier to believe in an infinite, eternal Creator than an infinite, eternal universe without a creator.
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However, I think that while most reasonable atheists say that they don't believe because there is no evidence of supernatural intervention... We can assume that since we are here it isn't out of the realm of possibility that there is a creator.

The issue is that if there is a God...then why does it have to be the one that is defined by any specific religion. As a Christian you put a lot of parameters on God that don't necessarily have to be true. These would be true of all religions.

Deism works pretty well because the Deist believers in a creator but doesn't claim to know much about said creator.
And I'd say the issue is that if there is a God, why wouldn't he want to communicate with us? Why would he want to simply step away from his creation?

But we know that to not be the case. He DID become part of his creation in order to redeem it.
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Old 12-10-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What is amazing is that everyone will be happy to say "I don't know"...but they WON'T consider a divine cause. They do this with other things when the most reasonable solution IS a creator.

For the record, I do not believe it's s physical manifestation of God. The universe is a lot bigger than our solar system. Not sure why he'd be hovering just outside our solar system.
Wrong as usual.

I accept that there may be a god.
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Old 12-10-2022, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It's easier to believe in an infinite, eternal Creator than an infinite, eternal universe without a creator.


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Yes, that's true. It is "easier". Doesn't require much intelligence or the ability to consider multiple causes for what happens in our lives. It is the easy way out.
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Old 12-10-2022, 10:03 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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It's easier to believe in an infinite, eternal Creator than an infinite, eternal universe without a creator.
Not really. Although I do believe that God exists, having learned something of the quantum physics involved I can see how the universe could have come into existence from 'nothing.'
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Old 12-10-2022, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Bingo!

My belief is that it's the light of God that illuminates the spirit world - aka Heavens - there's no sun.
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Old 12-12-2022, 12:05 PM
 
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Not really. Although I do believe that God exists, having learned something of the quantum physics involved I can see how the universe could have come into existence from 'nothing.'
I know a little about it, but no, quantum physics do not explain that.
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