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As I'm sure you are aware, there is actually more to the world than your experience.
The Middle East is a mess because the Holy Land is not being ruled by its rightful owners (Catholics).
Maybe one day we'll have the fortitude and the stomach for another crusade, but until then disorder and death will reign over there.
The Catholics are 100% NOT the rightful owners of the State of Israel. If there is such a thing as rightful owners (which I am not saying there are) the oldest claim would put the ownership in Jewish hands. The Catholic church can't even make a claim to that area.
As I'm sure you are aware, there is actually more to the world than your experience. The Middle East is a mess because the Holy Land is not being ruled by its rightful owners (Catholics).
Maybe one day we'll have the fortitude and the stomach for another crusade, but until then disorder and death will reign over there.
so you are wishing for another crusade
while decrying "disorder and death"
you are bloodthirsty for carnage.
John M. Robertson– Estimates 9,000,000 total dead for the crusades to the East covering the period from 1095 to 1291.
“It is a reasonable calculation that in the two centuries from the first crusade to the fall of Acre (1291) there had perished, in the attempts to recover and hold the Holy Land, nine millions of human beings, at least half of them Christians. Misery and chronic pestilence had slain most; but the mere carnage had been stupendous.” John M. Robertson, A Short History of Christianity (1902), p. 278.
so you are wishing for another crusade
while decrying "disorder and death"
you are bloodthirsty for carnage.
John M. Robertson– Estimates 9,000,000 total dead for the crusades to the East covering the period from 1095 to 1291.
“It is a reasonable calculation that in the two centuries from the first crusade to the fall of Acre (1291) there had perished, in the attempts to recover and hold the Holy Land, nine millions of human beings, at least half of them Christians. Misery and chronic pestilence had slain most; but the mere carnage had been stupendous.” John M. Robertson, A Short History of Christianity (1902), p. 278.
I'm happy to say that here is something we can agree on.
The Catholics are 100% NOT the rightful owners of the State of Israel. If there is such a thing as rightful owners (which I am not saying there are) the oldest claim would put the ownership in Jewish hands. The Catholic church can't even make a claim to that area.
The Promised Land was given to Abraham and his seed. The children of the promise (the seed) are the children of the New Covenant -- i.e. Catholics.
This is all clearly enumerated in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's letters, and is a core Christian belief. There is nothing controversial about it.
Of course it is to be expected that unbelievers would object to it; but this is the standard Christian position.
John M. Robertson– Estimates 9,000,000 total dead for the crusades to the East covering the period from 1095 to 1291.
“It is a reasonable calculation that in the two centuries from the first crusade to the fall of Acre (1291) there had perished, in the attempts to recover and hold the Holy Land, nine millions of human beings, at least half of them Christians. Misery and chronic pestilence had slain most; but the mere carnage had been stupendous.” John M. Robertson, A Short History of Christianity (1902), p. 278.
I've never heard of John Robertson, but his claim here is idiotic.
I doubt even an entertainment network such as the History Channel which some of you love to use as a "historical" source would dare to throw up a body count that ridiculous
As I'm sure you are aware, there is actually more to the world than your experience.
The Middle East is a mess because the Holy Land is not being ruled by its rightful owners (Catholics).
Maybe one day we'll have the fortitude and the stomach for another crusade, but until then disorder and death will reign over there.
Wow, that's one of the most outlandish statements I've ever read on the Religion Forum. But sure, bring on another crusade of Catholics to the Holy Land (if you're referring to Israel). Just remember - things aren't like they were in the old days of the Spanish Inquisition and the Expulsion of the Jews. Never Again!
The Promised Land was given to Abraham and his seed. The children of the promise (the seed) are the children of the New Covenant -- i.e. Catholics.
This is all clearly enumerated in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's letters, and is a core Christian belief. There is nothing controversial about it.
Of course it is to be expected that unbelievers would object to it; but this is the standard Christian position.
You call people unbelievers; however, that's an incorrect term. Millions of people simply don't believe the same way you do. That doesn't make them wrong.
The Promised Land was given to Abraham and his seed. The children of the promise (the seed) are the children of the New Covenant -- i.e. Catholics.
This is all clearly enumerated in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's letters, and is a core Christian belief. There is nothing controversial about it.
Of course it is to be expected that unbelievers would object to it; but this is the standard Christian position.
You're even more wrong now that you tried to save your ridiculous idea.
The Catholics are nothing more than one big branch of Christianity. They are most definite NOT the children of the New Covenant. Nor are they the "seed" of Abraham.
IF a person were to assume that the seed of Abraham meant more than what the words say, that interpretation would HAVE to include all of the Jewish people in the world first, then the followers of all of the early sects, such as the members of "The Way," and the Essenes. If you stretch that to include Christians, you have to include them all, plus all of the Muslims in the world.
Claiming the Promised Land for the Catholics is not only ridiculous, it's a slap in the face to everybody else. It is most certainly NOT a standard Christian position. If it's a standard Catholic position, it's still wrong.
Let's see what the Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists, Presbyterians, etc. think about your claim. A person certainly doesn't need to be an unbeliever to see how silly your claim is.
You're even more wrong now that you tried to save your ridiculous idea.
The Catholics are nothing more than one big branch of Christianity. They are most definite NOT the children of the New Covenant. Nor are they the "seed" of Abraham.
IF a person were to assume that the seed of Abraham meant more than what the words say, that interpretation would HAVE to include all of the Jewish people in the world first, then the followers of all of the early sects, such as the members of "The Way," and the Essenes. If you stretch that to include Christians, you have to include them all, plus all of the Muslims in the world.
Claiming the Promised Land for the Catholics is not only ridiculous, it's a slap in the face to everybody else. It is most certainly NOT a standard Christian position. If it's a standard Catholic position, it's still wrong.
Let's see what the Methodists, Episcopalians, Baptists, Presbyterians, etc. think about your claim. A person certainly doesn't need to be an unbeliever to see how silly your claim is.
*shrug*
Just explaining what the New Testament teaches.
Cope and seethe.
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