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Old 03-13-2022, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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There are casinos and there are casinos...

Many of the casinos in some areas of California, for example, are not the sort of casinos I enjoy. Many are just gambling houses very often on Indian reservation land. A couple I recently discovered near the San Jose airport are like those. "Soulless" is a good description. Most of those don't have craps tables and craps is my favorite table game. Those are not the sort of casinos I most enjoy.

None of this really has much to do with what I had in mind when I started this thread. The comparison of some gamblers and their rationale similar to the rationale I've recognized with some religious people that is...
Yeah the casino I'm talking about was on a reservation, which I lived on the outskirts of.

The little rituals some gamblers use is the same basic mechanism as the religious use. I used to try to will desired outcomes into existence with reflexive and constant praying, and it was not about trivialities like the canonical example of lost car keys or finding a parking space. I hoarded my poker chips for things like healing from severe illness, sparing loved ones from death, things like that. Wishing still didn't make it so.

And that is very much like gambling, the odds are the odds, and they aren't going to change because of some ritualistic blowing on dice.
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:48 AM
 
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Nothing wrong with gambling in moderation. I know quite a few people that gamble. They only take so much with them and then they quit. Sometimes they take home much more than they brought. The people that gamble more than they can afford to lose are a minority, just like the number of drunks of all the people that drink.
Totally agree. Thanks!
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:49 AM
 
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In the gambling world, you know the results right away.

In the gamble of life, no one knows who won and who lost, not even you, the expert and calculated gambler, simply because no one has returned back after death and told us who were the winners?

In the gamble of life, we can only try our best, till our destiny is revealed to us.
I suppose, but on the other hand it seems to me we should get educated about gambling no matter what we are gambling on...
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:52 AM
 
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I suspect you have never enjoyed the fun of a hot craps table!

That said, I've been in some pretty "soulless" casinos. Others are quite beautiful.
I have been to the Monte Carlo on the French Rivera. Other than more stylish people not very different in its essence from Atlantic City. Personally I see neither charm nor challenge in gambling.
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Old 03-13-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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so then the post above is written by a gambler (his words, see bold above)
who is describing his own system, which he has faith in.
in words of the post above in bold he "has faith his system or belief works." he admits to regularly losing $300 a night. his system is to lose $300 a night and then stop. he notes two times where he won. he describes his belief in his gambling system.

also in the words of the post above, he believes what he believes no matter.
a gambler with faith in his own system of gambling.

i don't see that this has anything to do with religion and spirituality. a path of religion and spirituality is not gambling nor is it a game of playing the odds. the post seems to be admonishing others, for something he himself also actively does. what he describes is what he himself is also doing.
Here is a typical example of someone who doesn't seem to understand anything I've explained, and somehow concludes I am "regularly losing $300 a night." Very funny. Almost reads like a "gotcha" as it is pointed out that I admit to being a gambler. Yes, true. When I am in a casino, I gamble. I noted the last two times I won. Many times over my many years of gambling I have won and lost. The possibility of either is part of the fun!

Playing in such a way to maximize one's odds of winning is not a "system." Unless you want to call maximizing one's odds of winning a system. I also like to play basketball, and nobody calls it a "system" to try and make as many baskets as possible.

This sort of misunderstanding of the basics or fundamentals is what I'm comparing to how some religious people come to believe the wide variety of things they do. Based on what I would similarly describe as more than a little confusion about the what should be better understood.
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:06 AM
 
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How are they causing you to lose money by not "playing the right odds" or not using the correct strategy? Do you mean like when they take a hit in blackjack with an inappropriate card because that card should have gone to you to beat the dealer? That's where luck comes in, maybe you should bring a lucky horseshoe with you and pray you aren't stuck at a blackjack table with a player taking your winning card because they didn't play the odds.
Good question and close, I think...

How to maximize your odds when gambling is not really what this thread is about, but here's the answer to your question; when the dealer shows a card that suggests the likelihood of a breaking hand and someone at the table also has a breaking hand and takes a hit, odds are they will get a face card (or card worth 10) that causes them to break. If instead they passed and left that breaking card to the dealer, then the dealer would break and everyone at the table who stayed pat would win.

If you know how to play black jack, you know these terms and what I'm explaining here. One can get a little "cheat sheet" that shows exactly when best to take a card or when to pass depending on what the dealer is showing. This is the best way to increase your odds of winning. Of course there is no guarantee one will win even if the game is played perfectly. The house always has some level of advantage, but to maximize one's odds of winning, one really should understand how to do so.

Some people on the other hand are those that do as you suggest. Count on the lucky horseshoe or rabbit's foot or their rosary...
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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Here is a typical example of someone who doesn't seem to understand anything I've explained, and somehow concludes I am "regularly losing $300 a night." Very funny. Almost reads like a "gotcha" as it is pointed out that I admit to being a gambler. Yes, true. When I am in a casino, I gamble. I noted the last two times I won. Many times over my many years of gambling I have won and lost. The possibility of either is part of the fun! Playing in such a way to maximize one's odds of winning is not a "system." Unless you want to call maximizing one's odds of winning a system. I also like to play basketball, and nobody calls it a "system" to try and make as many baskets as possible. This sort of misunderstanding of the basics or fundamentals is what I'm comparing to how some religious people come to believe the wide variety of things they do. Based on what I would similarly describe as more than a little confusion about the what should be better understood.
your gambling system as described in your own posts is to "play the odds" and "always only" stop after losing $300. you have faith and belief in your system. posts describe you have faith and belief that your system is "better" than other systems used by other gamblers. posts indicate that for you using your system is "fun" and brings you enjoyment.
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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Selectively highlighting words in his post, you have managed to twist what he said into something entirely different. For example, he didn't say "he" believes what he believes no matter. He was obviously talking about some other gambler. Why not just take what he says at face value and believe what it says?
Thanks and why not indeed?!?

I think I know why...
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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your gambling system as described in your own posts is to "play the odds" and "always only" stop after losing $300. you have faith and belief in your system. posts describe you have faith and belief that your system is "better" than other systems used by other gamblers. posts indicate for you it is "fun" and brings you enjoyment.
So what?
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Old 03-13-2022, 09:10 AM
 
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Readers read into a post what they understand, both the text and the subtext. The text is there for all to see. I dont see any twisting of words. The Essence of the post has beed described quite adequately. If there is a misunderstanding surely the OP can clarify it.
Why not just let readers read it the way they do? Do they need lessons how to read?
True, but obviously some people can read a comment and understand it's meaning and intent quite straight forwardly and correctly. Others can barely come close. Sometimes that's a comprehension issue. (I think in this case we're talking about someone who pretty well knows nothing about gambling). Sometimes it's an emotional issue. Sometimes it's a matter of bias for or against whatever the topic might be. Etc...

Also interesting to note that even when the OP tries to clarify what needs clarification in this forum, many times people won't take that explanation at face value either. They will insist on whatever their perspective dictates instead. AKA the lost cause.
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