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Old 02-04-2022, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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You may have read in the news about the Whoopi Goldberg suspension because she said Jewish is not a race.

I don't care about Whoopi. She's not my question.

Is Jewish a race?

Maybe we have some posters who are Jewish who could explain this to me.
You always ask such good questions.

I think the fact is that the Nazis considered the Jews a separate race from their German "Aryan" race and that was the motivation for their evil deeds.

Being Jewish can also be a cultural/religious thing, but the holocaust context was racial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...f_Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories

https://research.calvin.edu/german-p...hive/vogel.htm

https://www.hierarchystructure.com/n...ial-hierarchy/

With that said, I don't like to see people "canceled" or suspended. I think it is a time to learn and listen, not condemn.
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Old 02-04-2022, 05:29 PM
 
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You always ask such good questions.

I think the fact is that the Nazis considered the Jews a separate race from their German "Aryan" race and that was the motivation for their evil deeds.

Being Jewish can also be a cultural/religious thing, but the holocaust context was racial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...f_Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories

https://research.calvin.edu/german-p...hive/vogel.htm

https://www.hierarchystructure.com/n...ial-hierarchy/

With that said, I don't like to see people "canceled" or suspended. I think it is a time to learn and listen, not condemn.
Personally I see no problem with condemning evil words or actions. I condem Nazis, white supremestists, sex trafficers, those who support genocide, and many other horrific ideas.

As little use I have for religion it is definitely not in the same class as neo Nazis or the KKK or radical religious extremists
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Old 02-04-2022, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Personally I see no problem with condemning evil words or actions. I condem Nazis, white supremestists, sex trafficers, those who support genocide, and many other horrific ideas.

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That's not at all what I got out of her post.
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Old 02-04-2022, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Thanks to all of you who posted. I think I have a better grasp on what this is about.
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Old 02-05-2022, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Michigan, Maryland-born
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Personally I see no problem with condemning evil words or actions. I condem Nazis, white supremestists, sex trafficers, those who support genocide, and many other horrific ideas.

As little use I have for religion it is definitely not in the same class as neo Nazis or the KKK or radical religious extremists
Sorry, I am confusing with words at times.

I meant that I don't support trying to cancel or suspend Whoopi Goldberg for her comments which she didn't mean to hurt anyone. I think she was wrong, but I think education and compassion go a long way.

Yes, we should condemn evil people seeking to harm others like Nazis.
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Old 02-05-2022, 09:46 AM
 
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You always ask such good questions.

I think the fact is that the Nazis considered the Jews a separate race from their German "Aryan" race and that was the motivation for their evil deeds.

Being Jewish can also be a cultural/religious thing, but the holocaust context was racial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...f_Nazi_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories

https://research.calvin.edu/german-p...hive/vogel.htm

https://www.hierarchystructure.com/n...ial-hierarchy/

With that said, I don't like to see people "canceled" or suspended. I think it is a time to learn and listen, not condemn.



Mob rule or ochlocracy (Greek: ὀχλοκρατία, romanized: okhlokratía; Latin: ochlocratia) is the rule of government by a mob or mass of people and the intimidation of legitimate authorities. Insofar as it represents a pejorative for majoritarianism, it is akin to the Latin phrase mobile vulgus, meaning "the fickle crowd", from which the English term "mob" originally was derived in the 1680s.
Ochlocracy is synonymous in meaning and usage to the modern, informal term "mobocracy", which arose in the 18th century as a colloquial neologism. Likewise, whilst the ruling mobs in ochlocracies may sometimes genuinely reflect the will of the majority in a manner approximating democracy, ochlocracy is characterized by the absence or impairment of a procedurally civil and democratic process.[1]
An "ochlocrat" is one who is an advocate or partisan of ochlocracy. It also may be used as an adjective ("ochlocratic" or "ochlocratical").

The Polybian terminology for forms of state in ancient Greek philosophy has become customary. Polybius' predecessor Aristotle distinguished between different forms of democracy, stating that those disregarding the rule of law devolved into ochlocracy.[5] The Polybian distinction between democracy and ochlocracy is absent in the works of Plato, who considered democracy to be a degraded form of government.[6]
The threat of "mob rule" to a democracy is restrained by ensuring that the rule of law protects minorities or individuals against short-term demagoguery or moral panic.[7] Although considering how laws in a democracy are established or repealed by the majority, the protection of minorities by rule of law is questionable. Some authors, like Bosnian political theoretician Jasmin Hasanović, connect the emergence of ochlocracy in democratic societies with the decadence of democracy in neoliberalism in which "the democratic role of the people has been reduced mainly to the electoral process".[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_rule




And, so you have the cancel culture, what is basic ochlocracy. As when the LAW becomes lawless....... audacity and impudence becomes the law.
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Old 02-05-2022, 10:38 AM
 
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Sorry, I am confusing with words at times.

I meant that I don't support trying to cancel or suspend Whoopi Goldberg for her comments which she didn't mean to hurt anyone. I think she was wrong, but I think education and compassion go a long way.

Yes, we should condemn evil people seeking to harm others like Nazis.
Now i totally agree with you. Being suspended for two weeks for not understanding how the Nazis viewed race was wrong. Instead bring in a guest to explain it to Whoopi and more importantly to thevshows audience
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Old 02-05-2022, 11:13 AM
 
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You may have read in the news about the Whoopi Goldberg suspension because she said Jewish is not a race.

I don't care about Whoopi. She's not my question.

Is Jewish a race?

Maybe we have some posters who are Jewish who could explain this to me.
maybe not, rather than this:
2"For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands."
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Old 02-05-2022, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Now i totally agree with you. Being suspended for two weeks for not understanding how the Nazis viewed race was wrong. Instead bring in a guest to explain it to Whoopi and more importantly to thevshows audience
That's a good suggestion.
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Old 02-05-2022, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Thanks to all of you who posted. I think I have a better grasp on what this is about.
Very thought provoking topic considering the unique place that Jews/Hebrews/Israelites had in world history both as a race (or ethnic group) as well as a world religion.
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