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Old 01-09-2022, 04:41 PM
 
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I think Christopher Caldwell's title is a little sensationalized, but this is still interesting.

It's reportedly true that more and more American are pulling away from organized religion, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as being pagan.


Is the West Becoming Pagan Again?
This year, at the height of what used to be called the Christmas season, a Pew Research Center poll on religion revealed that only slightly more Americans described themselves as Roman Catholics (21 percent) than as believers in “nothing in particular” (20 percent). The millennial generation, which includes most adult Americans under 40, is the first one in which Christians are a minority.
The book is called “La Fin de la Chrétienté,” which might be translated as “The End of the Christian World.” Ms. Delsol is quite clear that what is ending is not the Christian faith, with its rites and dogmas, but only Christian culture — the way Christian societies are governed and the art, philosophy and lore that have arisen under Christianity’s influence. That is still quite a lot. In the West, Christian society is the source of our cultural norms and moral proscriptions, not to mention the territory of our present-day culture wars, with their strident arguments over pronouns and statues and gay bridegrooms and pedophile priests
https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/is...g-pagan-again/
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Old 01-09-2022, 04:43 PM
 
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I think Christopher Caldwell's title is a little sensationalized, but this is still interesting.

It's reportedly true that more and more American are pulling away from organized religion, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as being pagan.


Is the West Becoming Pagan Again?
This year, at the height of what used to be called the Christmas season, a Pew Research Center poll on religion revealed that only slightly more Americans described themselves as Roman Catholics (21 percent) than as believers in “nothing in particular” (20 percent). The millennial generation, which includes most adult Americans under 40, is the first one in which Christians are a minority.
The book is called “La Fin de la Chrétienté,” which might be translated as “The End of the Christian World.” Ms. Delsol is quite clear that what is ending is not the Christian faith, with its rites and dogmas, but only Christian culture — the way Christian societies are governed and the art, philosophy and lore that have arisen under Christianity’s influence. That is still quite a lot. In the West, Christian society is the source of our cultural norms and moral proscriptions, not to mention the territory of our present-day culture wars, with their strident arguments over pronouns and statues and gay bridegrooms and pedophile priests
https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/is...g-pagan-again/
Atheist or agnostic more than pagan. Although things like the Christmas tree have pagan roots - no pun intended.
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:19 PM
 
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West is becoming perverted and lascivious. Just like Rome, before it was destroyed by pagans.
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Old 01-09-2022, 06:36 PM
 
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Overall, people are becoming indifferent to religion because it doesn't accurately explain or predict outcomes in lived experience. Also, many religions make it difficult to reconcile the belief system with science.

That doesn't mean some religions persuasions such as paganism couldn't be gaining adherents, at least for a time.

The article seems written from a conservative Catholic perspective so you have to consider the source. A conservative Catholic would see Catholicism as a triumph over paganism, and would associate the insufficient purity and piety of modern mainstream Catholicism as resulting in a resurgence of paganism. I think they should be more concerned about Islam than about pagans, honestly.
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Old 01-09-2022, 08:00 PM
 
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Overall, people are becoming indifferent to religion because it doesn't accurately explain or predict outcomes in lived experience. Also, many religions make it difficult to reconcile the belief system with science.

That doesn't mean some religions persuasions such as paganism couldn't be gaining adherents, at least for a time.

The article seems written from a conservative Catholic perspective so you have to consider the source. A conservative Catholic would see Catholicism as a triumph over paganism, and would associate the insufficient purity and piety of modern mainstream Catholicism as resulting in a resurgence of paganism. I think they should be more concerned about Islam than about pagans, honestly.
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Old 01-10-2022, 12:31 AM
 
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West is becoming perverted and lascivious. Just like Rome, before it was destroyed by pagans.
Rome had been "Christian" for 150 years or so when it fell. They did better when they were perverted and lascivious.

Or maybe the Christians were doing naughty things and God got mad. Who knows for sure.
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Old 01-10-2022, 03:12 AM
 
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There are many different Christian churches other than Catholic that experienced a drain of the youth, yet there are other Christian churches where there is a boom of youth ........... See churches which invite the Holy Spirit will attract many new people, as it show more truth in the plan of God
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Old 01-10-2022, 07:45 AM
 
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Losing Christianity doesn't automatically equate to becoming Pagan.

There are plenty of other religions to go around other than Christianity. And there's atheism and humanism.

I would define Pagan as a belief in religions other than what's regarded as mainstream

I think the article and the book it is based on have got their fundamentals wrong.

That being said, whats wrong with Pagan? If being Pagan is getting back in touch with nature, I'm convinced we would could all do with a lot more of that.
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Old 01-10-2022, 08:40 AM
 
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From a "Pagan's" point of view it is the christians that are pagan.
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Old 01-10-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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I think Christopher Caldwell's title is a little sensationalized, but this is still interesting.

It's reportedly true that more and more American are pulling away from organized religion, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as being pagan.


Is the West Becoming Pagan Again?
This year, at the height of what used to be called the Christmas season, a Pew Research Center poll on religion revealed that only slightly more Americans described themselves as Roman Catholics (21 percent) than as believers in “nothing in particular” (20 percent). The millennial generation, which includes most adult Americans under 40, is the first one in which Christians are a minority.
The book is called “La Fin de la Chrétienté,” which might be translated as “The End of the Christian World.” Ms. Delsol is quite clear that what is ending is not the Christian faith, with its rites and dogmas, but only Christian culture — the way Christian societies are governed and the art, philosophy and lore that have arisen under Christianity’s influence. That is still quite a lot. In the West, Christian society is the source of our cultural norms and moral proscriptions, not to mention the territory of our present-day culture wars, with their strident arguments over pronouns and statues and gay bridegrooms and pedophile priests
https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/is...g-pagan-again/
This looks more like the White lamentation for the return of lAmerica as I remember “ -White, Christian, neatly segregated, where POC knew their place, speaking English, boys were boys and women were home, barefoot and pregnant.
America and the new generation is not going pagan, it is embracing a more inclusive world of color, language, gender, culture, and arts. It is called progress. Welcome to it.
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