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Old 07-30-2008, 07:11 PM
 
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First off, this is lifted, word for word without attribution from http://www.cstnews.com/Code/FaithEvl.html. Why would you steal someone else’s comments and pretend they were your own?

Secondly, why would you steal such ridiculous comments as these? There’s nothing here but PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times), quote mines (quotes taken out of context to change the original speaker’s meaning), and unsupported insults.


The Kitts quote is 34 years old. Kitts goes on in the original to say: “The claim has been repeatedly made that the fossil record provides a basis for the falsification of synthetic theory [Neo-Darwinism] and Simpson has demonstrated that this is not the case.” (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-3.html#quote54)

The point Patterson was making was that we can never be sure whether a particular transitional fossil was the actual ancestor of a new group, or simply closely related to a similar looking ancestral species that hasn’t been found yet. It doesn’t mean that the many transitional fossils that have been identified couldn’t actually have been transitional in an ancestor-descendant sense. (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/patterson.html).


No, they’re still quite valid. And many more have been found in the roughly 30 years since the quotes from Kitts and Patterson listed above were first made.


So Eldredge is “mean spirited” for charging that creationists tend to load the debates, but then the author admits he’s not above such a thing? How can it be mean spirited to accuse someone of doing what he admits he’s willing to do?


No, evolutionists dislike creationists for trying to undermine science and hoodwink the public. Additionally, many evolutionists also believe the Bible is the authoritative Word of God. They just aren’t so idolatrous as to believe the literal word of the Bible even where it conflicts with worldly evidence left by God Himself.


And now the rhetoric descends into simple name calling. Very sad. (Although I kind of like the “audacious” part.)


The theory of evolution is a well-supported scientific theory. Rather than just a guess, that means it’s a coherent and well-tested explanation for a wide assortment of observations. Other such “theories” include the atomic theory of matter, the germ theory of disease, and the theory of gravity.
Well said, but needless to say, your refutations will fall on deaf ears.
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Old 07-30-2008, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Evolution is about as scientific as a voodoo rooster plucking ceremony in Haiti. Almost.


Science means "to know" and "systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, etc." It is based on observation and experimentation. Evolutionists don't "know" anything about man's origins. They guess, suppose, etc. but they don't "know." Honest scientists have become weary and embarrassed at the confusing, convoluted and contradictory claptrap that often passes as science. They have watched their colleagues rushing to protect Darwin rather than putting him to rigorous tests.

Let me dwell on the fossil record since most people assume it is supportive of evolution. It is not.Dr. David Kitts, professor of geology at the University of Oklahoma said,



Concerning transitional fossils, world famous paleontologist Colin Patterson admitted that Sorry not a one......

All the alleged transitional fossils, that were so dear to the hearts of evolutionists a generation ago, are now an embarrassment to them. Breaks my heart.

Evolutionists show their mean-spirited nature when they debate creationists, usually at a state university. One of the best known evolutionists, Niles Eldredge, refers to these debates in his book, Monkey Business: "Creationists travel all over the United States, visiting college campuses and staging 'debates' with biologists, geologists, and anthropologists. The creationists nearly always win. Creationists load the audience.

We creationists do not "load" the audience (not that I'm above such a thing). It's only that it is very difficult or impossible to do in a secular university. No, Eldredge was wrong. They lose the debates because they have taken the wrong side of the argument!

Evolutionists hate creationists and anyone who believes that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God. They are as uncomfortable as a dog in hot ashes when we talk of personal accountability to a sovereign God. They are bigots and haters with a few exceptions. Please remember that they are the ones who believe incredibly silly things WITHOUT any scientific data to support their philosophy and religion. They are often arrogant, asinine and audacious.

The Theory of Evolution is just that, a theory. If something is said to be a theory, it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved.

Sorry for sounding mean my intentions are not to be mean, but point out facts.
For one, science is based on critical thinking and forming theories by gathering a body of observations after proving a testable hypothesis through experimentation. You seem to be willfully ignorant on the facts and evidences of evolution. Here are just a few transitional fossils from only human ancestory, seeing as how you don't believe there are any.
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus africanus
Homo habilis
Homo erectus
Homo sapiens

Macro evolution is a scientific theory. A scientific theory is a body of knowledge which is gained by observations and can be proven or disproven. There is massive amounts of evidence for evolution. Transitional forms, DNA and genetic mutation are just a few of them. Also evolution doesn't deal with the origins of man, that's abiogenisis which is something totally different than evolution.
Also a theory in science is different than a theory in laymen's terms. A scientific theory, which is what evolution is, although evolution is more of a paradigm since it's stood up to scientific skeptical scrutiny for almost one hundred and fifty year. A scientific theory has been proven through independent testing so many times that it has a large amount of empirical data.
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:53 PM
 
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Well said, but needless to say, your refutations will fall on deaf ears.
Yeah. You never know about the lurkers though.

Thanks.
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:06 PM
 
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I think those types of posts are just annoying, their purpose is not to discuss anything deeply regarding the evo creo debate but rather to encourage inflammatory responses from creationists so that it will make them look bad.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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I think those types of posts are just annoying, their purpose is not to discuss anything deeply regarding the evo creo debate but rather to encourage inflammatory responses from creationists so that it will make them look bad.
Wait. What post are you referring to?
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:05 PM
 
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Wait. What post are you referring to?
Route_66_traveller, it's full of antagonism towards Neo-Darwinist

Edit: Crap I just noticed I said creationists when i meant to say Darwinists on my previous post, I apologize.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:07 PM
 
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Default actually...

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Thanks for the post Life... Great information! Thank the Lord our God for creationist! Finally scientist who are refuteing Darwin's wildly vivid imagination.... I AM NOT A DECENDENT OF AN APE!
actually... if you read the information once again and really think about it, on the contrary it reinforces the Darwin's theory and rejects god!

first of all it means that "the scientific adam" was actually a mutation from previous homo sapiens, which means there were homo sapiens prior to adam, which also means that the mutation does occur in DNA which leads to distinction of all living creatures, which means that at one point there was a mutation in the Y chromosome that led to a new, modern homo sapiens, more intellegent, clever, adaptable. which once again reinforces the Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest!

As much of a non-believer in Darwin's theory I was, I'm actually starting to believe that he was right. And I have no clue where everyone finds any support of the God in all of this.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Is it me or is the OP very misleading? Taking an excerpt and introducing your own context is the same as lying in my eyes.
No its you.


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Old 01-15-2009, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The OP was just a lot of nonsense taken directly from here...A creationist propaganda site.

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - Have Scientific Tools Detected Adam and Eve within Us?
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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I'd read that scientists had traced mitochondrial Eve to about 150,000 years ago but Adam to only about 100,000 years ago. Does that mean we had 50,000 years of lesbians before men came along?
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