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Old 04-13-2024, 09:05 AM
 
Location: MN
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Wisconsin is a stand your ground state he had no obligation to leave. It was a chaotic scene and happened within seconds.this is a case of f around and find out.he had every right to use that river.
I got my info from this local to me lawyer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Kxo6r-_M4
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:17 AM
 
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I got my info from this local to me lawyer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Kxo6r-_M4
I am watching that video now....

I watched the trial with this criminal defense lawyer giving commentary. He is very logical and is an expert on self defense....

https://youtu.be/zG8GoAuwEUM?si=cDmxJUukR5-Xy2OS
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Wisconsin is a stand your ground state he had no obligation to leave. It was a chaotic scene and happened within seconds.this is a case of f around and find out.he had every right to use that river.
Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:28 AM
 
Location: MN
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I am watching that video now....

I watched the trial with this criminal defense lawyer giving commentary. He is very logical and is an expert on self defense....

https://youtu.be/zG8GoAuwEUM?si=cDmxJUukR5-Xy2OS
Did the guy punch a girl to start it? That wasn’t seen in the video, but they claim it happened?
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:31 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mPFFrgSHkw&t=111s

I know trials can be a matter of opinion. nickolae miu was convicted of 1ST Degree negligent homicide among other charges. the judge allowed prosecution to add charges near the end of the trial which would prevent the defense from preparing for those added charges. the defense wanted to emphasize burden of proof more for the state. the state has the burden of proof to prove it was not self defense. I don't know if anyone here watched the trial. some say this trial was the most polarizing in a long time. some claim that they had no doubt he was guilty. he was using self defense and was surrounded. I think the judge had it out for him.

Do you like the jury trail system? should jurors have their IQ tested or be trained in how to interpret the judges instructions? perhaps a non biased lawyer could explain the instructions better to the jury.

Some people though with high intelligence seem very biased so I don't know if a intelligence test would solve anything.
To answer your question, the jury/court system is absolutely the worst method imaginable to arrive at a decision this important.

Can you even IMAGINE using this method to make any other decision? No one would buy a car this way, with quietly listening to two opposing people spoon feed the information they want you to hear. You wouldn't buy a house, you wouldn't decide on a dog to adopt, a person to form a relationship, this way. No one would.

The jury should be given information created by an unbiased source (responsible media representatives can certainly manage that) and should be allowed to research and ask questions and seek counsel of people who know what they're talking about. And meanwhile, during this process, the jurors should be allowed to discuss the evidence presented with each other, real-time, when it's presented.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:33 AM
 
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Self-defense doesn't work too well on a jury, when the defendant could have left, but then decided to come back with a weapon and harm (kill in this case) the victim. That right there is when the defendant formed an intent to kill and then followed through on it.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:39 AM
 
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Did the guy punch a girl to start it? That wasn’t seen in the video, but they claim it happened?
The guy never punched the girl. She can be seen dry in her bathing suit with no injuries. Those kids lied about so much so they could attack him. Mr cockfield instigated the event by lying saying he was looking for little girls.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:43 AM
 
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Wisconsin is not a stand your ground state.
It is a loose stand your ground state not as much as Florida but he had no obligation to leave. The self defense lawyer I watch explained this.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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It is a loose stand your ground state not as much as Florida but he had no obligation to leave. The self defense lawyer I watch explained this.
Then either he's ignorant or you got a completely incorrect impression. Wisconsin has no statutory duty to retreat. Totally different than stand your ground, not "loose stand your ground.". Irrelevant anyway. Even in a stand your ground law you can't run up to someone and punch them in the face to provoke a fight and get your stabbing on.
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Old 04-13-2024, 09:54 AM
 
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Then either he's ignorant or you got a completely incorrect impression. Wisconsin has no statutory duty to retreat. Totally different than stand your ground, not "loose stand your ground.". Irrelevant anyway. Even in a stand your ground law you can't run up to someone and punch them in the face to provoke a fight and get your stabbing on.
yes what I meant was there is no duty to retreat. he never punched her the kids lied. they got an innocent man convicted. there is no proof he punched that girl. this is why the dumb jury convicted him they believed the kids who are liars.
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