Heatwave draws thousands to Newport & Huntington (San Diego, San Francisco: 2014, living)

[Fisherman99]

ALL California beaches now closed effective Friday, May 1st. As a lifelong surfer, it is a bummer, however seeing how the ones still open looked like Coney Island on the Fourth of July without social distancing or masks, and people parked in chairs with umbrellas and coolers, it is the right call.


https://abc7.com/newsom-closes-beach...virus/6139060/

[Bonezman765]

Anybody contributing to the HB lawsuit against our Prog Governor? I'm willing to contribute some cash against that prog to open the beaches in HB. I dont live in SoCal anymore but I'm still a surfer and would gladly help my surfer bros open up the beaches.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Bonezman765

Anybody contributing to the HB lawsuit against our Prog Governor?

LOL. Join the crowd. Probably not a good use of your time.

Lawsuits Pile Up Against Coronavirus Lockdown Measures: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawsuit...es-11587807000

[Bonezman765]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

LOL. Join the crowd. Probably not a good use of your time.

Lawsuits Pile Up Against Coronavirus Lockdown Measures: https://www.wsj.com/articles/lawsuit...es-11587807000

I already read the articles; I'm just wondering if anybody is actively participating in it. and no, it's a great use of time. I would love nothing more than to score points against Newsucks or have him recalled.

[citizensadvocate]

I be curious what happens if a local government such as Huntington Beach does not coorporate with the state government to enforce anything. As states typically depended on local governments to enforce their wishes. Would the state send in the CHP?

Beach cams still show plenty on the line up and the sand. Civil disobedience. Though I guess this would discourage Los Angeles from driving down to Orange County beaches though. I be curious any reason Mr. Newsom left state beaches in OC open while he closed Carlsbad, San Clamente, and Torry Pines state beaches farther south and similar state beaches farther north. Apparently a UC San Diego or Scripps ranch study that made mainline news stated that COVID 19 was discovered in the runoff to the ocean and runoff pollution was a major issue especially with the Tijuana River thus water activities must be banned around SD as a lot of rain was forecasted in the month of April.

Interestingly not so many people call themselves "surfers" I don't know if its an offending term though.

I do agree the progressive mainstream media is to blame for coercing and bullying leaders into implementing heavy handed tactics in many areas LA times and San Diego UT included. https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...-police-state/ This article, while written in the UK, seems to represent progressive media sources all over the world. The pictures taken of beaches above Orange county are taken in an angle to delibrtely to show people close together and for politicians both local and in Sacramento to take immediate action. Though the ones in Sacramento never really said anything about acceptable behavior in state parks and beaches at least on media leaving local officials and the general population to do the guesswork.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

I be curious what happens if a local government such as Huntington Beach does not coorporate with the state government to enforce anything. As states typically depended on local governments to enforce their wishes. Would the state send in the CHP?

Beach cams still show plenty on the line up and the sand. Civil disobedience. Though I guess this would discourage Los Angeles from driving down to Orange County beaches though. I be curious any reason Mr. Newsom left state beaches in OC open while he closed Carlsbad, San Clamente, and Torry Pines state beaches farther south and similar state beaches farther north. Apparently a UC San Diego or Scripps ranch study that made mainline news stated that COVID 19 was discovered in the runoff to the ocean and runoff pollution was a major issue especially with the Tijuana River thus water activities must be banned around SD as a lot of rain was forecasted in the month of April.

Interestingly not so many people call themselves "surfers" I don't know if its an offending term though.

I do agree the progressive mainstream media is to blame for coercing and bullying leaders into implementing heavy handed tactics in many areas LA times and San Diego UT included. https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...-police-state/ This article, while written in the UK, seems to represent progressive media sources all over the world. The pictures taken of beaches above Orange county are taken in an angle to delibrtely to show people close together and for politicians both local and in Sacramento to take immediate action. Though the ones in Sacramento never really said anything about acceptable behavior in state parks and beaches at least on media leaving local officials and the general population to do the guesswork.

You keep going on and on about the virus in the ocean. Link the study. Link the research.

[citizensadvocate]

I had linked it before but not every time on every thread. Though if you are interested in it.

https://www.kron4.com/health/coronav...d-19-pandemic/

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...es-los-angeles

The second day after this made news. San Diego county banned water activities offshore which is technically unincorporated county. Beach sand access was still city/state controlled but the remaining cities as well as open state beaches promptly followed with a hard closure. Surprised no close window order as with chemical spills though. I thought that would soon follow.

Apparently these two surf media organizations including surfer magazine and Surfriders foundation which in my experience is just normally as progressive leaning as mainstream media seems to stand with mainstream media even when they discourage their activity they always advocate for and tend to stand behind surfing bans and beach closures around the world. And they also warn that COVID19 might be in the run off if there are a lot of feces in the water just like the scientist.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Link the study. Link the research.

There hasn't been a study about this with SARS-CoV-2. The Scripps scientist was concerned that because she knew from past studies that coronaviruses can be excreted in fecal matter, she was worried that SARS-CoV-2 could enter the ocean from sewage spills and outfalls, and then reenter the atmosphere.

"And though the virus has been detected in sewage, scientists are still investigating whether it remains infectious in fecal matter — and whether it survives treatment in a wastewater facility."

See link above.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by mkfour

I believe that should be 0.06%

No, 0.0006% is correct. 0.06 would be 210,000 deaths.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter

No, 0.0006% is correct. 0.06 would be 210,000 deaths.

OK, thanks.

There was a wonderful editorial by the mayor of Newport Beach in the OC Register. It's unfortunately probably behind a paywall, but if you can see it, read it.

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/05/0...mT_j3EqiVAdnCw

To sum up: The mayor stated that OC's population is larger than 22 states, but our COVID death rate is lower than all states except Alaska. The hospitals are prepared for many times the number of patients than they have seen. Every Los Angeles beach community (where beaches have been closed for weeks) has a higher infection rate than the open beach communities in OC.

In other words, sunlight, heat, and wide-open, outdoor spaces are not conducive to the spread of COVID 19.

However, 428 miles away in Sacramento and without consulting with a single Newport Beach official, Governor Gavin Newsom decided to substitute his will for our judgment, shutting down the entire 42 miles of Orange County coastline, including Newport’s.

Our own local fire and police authorities reviewed this media depiction [photos of overly crowded beaches over the last weekend] and agreed it was misleading.

The article ends by stating that spending time at the beach is not dangerous, and the local governments rather than a distant politician should be allowed to make decisions about opening or closing.