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You can't beat Cal. for scenery, such as the Pacific Ocean, Yosemite, the redwoods, etc.
However, the people in Tulsa are the friendliest people I have ever encountered. Every time I visit there, I feel my blood pressure going down. And, as noted above, the cost of living is dramatically less. The same house in Tulsa is about half or less of one in Cal. Gasoline is at least a dollar cheaper per gallon. And, you don't have to drive as much to get to work, and traffic is less.
So, you have to decide what is more important for you.
I recently moved to Tulsa from Chicago. I have lived in Oakland, Los Angeles, and Houston. I have travelled to Manila, PH. I'm going to tell you MY experience. You can take it or leave it, afterall it's just my opinion.
Tulsa is a mean little city. That's the short answer. Okies are mean and hateful people. They are the most ignorant, ugly, arrogant bullies you will ever meet. Just in the last 4 months I have been assaulted or threatened at the QT gas stations 5 times! Just for pumping gas! 5 times in four months! You need to have brass in your balls to make it in this town. I don't like having to walk around and get in fist fights with people, but it's what I've had to do to survive in this mean little hell-hole.
Just today, I was pumping gas at the QT and a man asked me for money to buy gas. I'm the guy who usually gives money to the dudes holding signs by the freeway off-ramps. But this day I had just spent my last $10 and I had nothing left to give the guy. I'll make it short. He cussed me, I cussed him. He got a tire-iron out of his trunk, I pulled out my kabar 7" clip point knife, we both got back in our cars, he followed by down the street, we both pulled into another parking lot and we bossa nova'd right there. This was in the mid afternoon! This **** happens almost every day for me (except this is the first time I've had to use a knife. I had to start carrying one because the violence in this city is just out of control.)
Now that doesn't mean every single person in Tulsa is a violent felon. There are some genuinely nice people here. But statistically speaking, I think there is about 1 decent person out of 10. The Okies that aren't violent are stuck-up as all get out. Even LA couldn't hold a candle to this town, and I thought LA was a mean place. There's not much of a middle class in Tulsa. This is a two-class town: On the South Side you have upper-middle class. Utica Square area and Swan lake you have upper-class. The rest of the town is all working- and under-class. There's lots of homeless people. Lot's of meth heads.
Oh another thing you should know about Oklahoma is if you don't drive a truck, you are considered a ***. And if you're not a wigger that listens to ICP, good luck meeting friends as there are a ****-ton of juggalos here. There's also a lot of *****-kicking rednecks that listen to country music. Everyone in this town thinks and acts like they're ****ing JOHN WAYNE! It's pathetic.
You will start to see the disconnect these people have from reality after only a month of living here. The only taste of culture these people have out here is what they see on TV and the movies. So you will notice people living in these little fantasy worlds that they sort of borrow from TV. You will notice everyone here talks like it's from a script. They're all fake. Watch king of queens or Gangland and notice the next day at work every okie will be repeating something they heard from TV the night before, as if it's cool to parrot pop-culture cliches.
Tulsa is a big cliche. Everyone here wants to pretend like they are from LA or Chicago, so they put on this act. But the act is just a cliche from TV, because people in LA and Chicago don't really act like that.
I could go on and mention many more things like the cops, the crappy streets that will crack your rims, the refinery smell on the entire West Side, etc but I think that's enough for now. And as I said, it's just my opinion and experience. If any Okies are offended, then that's a personal problem for them b/c I'm still going to have my opinion and they can call me any name they want. This is my experience.
IF you are looking for a good job in Pet Geo/ Exploration/Recovery, there are opportunities. Chesapeake is a pretty good company. There are a lot of Mom-Pop independents around. Soe really fine, growing smaller firms:
UNIT, MARJO, KEENER. Check out DAVIS PARTNERS. They're very aggressive. Check with Career Placement and
Planning at The Univ of Tulsa. 918 631 2000. Put on your silk tie and go see The WIlliams Companies S-Corp, Resource Sciences, 6700 South Yale. Check with AMOCO in Tulsa. Check with Occidental (OXY) Petroleum. Purchase a Petroleum Club membership directory. Use it. In Tulsa, you'll want to self-promote. If you can afford it, purchase a memebrship at INDIAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB. You'll meet some interesting folk,
there. And the food is very good. Purchase a Tulsa Metro Chamber membership directory. Use that.
Tulsa, is a town that was built on Petroleum, Banking, Aero-Space, Heat Exchangers, and Construction. Also,
the Medical-Hospital infrastructure has provided many, many jobs. Tulsa, though, inspite of it's fine colleges and Tulsa Univsersity, (which is mainly a business/oil/gas school) is mostly a blue collar town. These people were raised by old-school folks who were, or at least thought they were, victims of the Great Depression.
The attitude that " I didn't go to college, and I did fine " attitude still prevails in Tulsa. There is a lot of
phony-ism in Tulsa. There are people, thousands of them now in Tulsa, whose vocation is FAKING IT.
They are people who take advantage of professionals who work hard, are educated, and just want to
give a decent day's work for a living/saving wage. Phonys. And yes, Tulsa is just a little to the left,
here, in some respects.
We don't have any kind of decent newspaper here: The Tulsa World used to be in the TOP TEN in the world, regarding circulation. That's because it was a business reporting paper. Now, it jsut CRAP. It's just all
entertainment crapola, and a cheap-ass society page. Tulsa has designer-jeans shallowness in it's blood.
I don't have anything really good to say about Tulsa women, or men. There are, of course, fine people
in Tulsa. But, they are few and far between. Looks are everything in Tulsa. It's basically style over
substance. I know that a lot of what I say isn't going to go over very well, with many people. Like I care !
Tulsa is a town where people think they are "entitled" to a job. And the service industies are nothing to
brag about, either. The concept of earning a customer's business never occurs to most people; of course,
that's epidemic in the USA, now, is it not ?
You know why so many astronauts came from Oklahoma ? Because, the old school folks, who came to
Oklahoma, Indian Territory, 100 years ago or so, carried with them the REVOLUTIONARY concept of:
" YOU AIN'T FINISHED WITH A JOB, UNTIL IT'S DONE". Their sons and daughters became the Frank Phillps,
and Jean Getty, and Howard Huges, and George Kaiser, and W.K.Warren, and Amos Guthrie, and
George Warde, and William Groves Skelly, and Paul Buthod, and William Gary Vandever, The Parriots,
Joseph Salamy, the Ringolds, and the 55,000 people who helped make these people zillionaires. And, World
Class performers. Now, Tulsa is a different bird, altogether. Maybe someday, when people rediscover Judeo-Christian values again, in Oklahoma, things will be a whole lot better.
IF you are looking for a good job in Pet Geo/ Exploration/Recovery, there are opportunities. Chesapeake is a pretty good company. There are a lot of Mom-Pop independents around. Soe really fine, growing smaller firms:
UNIT, MARJO, KEENER. Check out DAVIS PARTNERS. They're very aggressive. Check with Career Placement and
Planning at The Univ of Tulsa. 918 631 2000. Put on your silk tie and go see The WIlliams Companies S-Corp, Resource Sciences, 6700 South Yale. Check with AMOCO in Tulsa. Check with Occidental (OXY) Petroleum. Purchase a Petroleum Club membership directory. Use it. In Tulsa, you'll want to self-promote. If you can afford it, purchase a memebrship at INDIAN HILLS COUNTRY CLUB. You'll meet some interesting folk,
there. And the food is very good. Purchase a Tulsa Metro Chamber membership directory. Use that.
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This is both quite dated and wrong. Chesapeake is in terrible trouble and isn’t located in Tulsa, it’s in Oklahoma City. Amoco as a company hasn’t existed in decades, it’s now BP and has been for a very long time. What is left of Amoco in Tulsa is owned by IBM and isn’t a petroleum company. Oxy left Tulsa in the early 1980s, the Petroleum club is closed and Indian Hills Country Club is now the golf course at The Hard Rock Casino and Resort. This is a person that seemingly was familiar with Tulsa, but Tulsa as it was 40 years ago. I won’t speak to the comments about what people are like, but readers can draw their own conclusions from the inaccuracies in the business climate.
I recently moved to Tulhttps://www.city-data.com/forum/images/smilies/dubious.gifsa from Chicago. I have lived in Oakland, Los Angeles, and Houston. I have travelled to Manila, PH. I'm going to tell you MY experience. You can take it or leave it, afterall it's just my opinion.
Tulsa is a mean little city. That's the short answer. Okies are mean and hateful people. They are the most ignorant, ugly, arrogant bullies you will ever meet. Just in the last 4 months I have been assaulted or threatened at the QT gas stations 5 times! Just for pumping gas! 5 times in four months! You need to have brass in your balls to make it in this town. I don't like having to walk around and get in fist fights with people, but it's what I've had to do to survive in this mean little hell-hole.
I will be praying for you because your life is completely out of balance in Tulsa Oklahoma , you are
only running into ' the scum of the earth ' in your Tulsa OK experience.
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Just today, I was pumping gas at the QT and a man asked me for money to buy gas. I'm the guy who usually gives money to the dudes holding signs by the freeway off-ramps. But this day I had just spent my last $10 and I had nothing left to give the guy. I'll make it short. He cussed me, I cussed him. He got a tire-iron out of his trunk, I pulled out my kabar 7" clip point knife, we both got back in our cars, he followed by down the street, we both pulled into another parking lot and we bossa nova'd right there. This was in the mid afternoon! This **** happens almost every day for me (except this is the first time I've had to use a knife. I had to start carrying one because the violence in this city is just out of control.)
Now that doesn't mean every single person in Tulsa is a violent felon. There are some genuinely nice people here. But statistically speaking, I think there is about 1 decent person out of 10. The Okies that aren't violent are stuck-up as all get out. Even LA couldn't hold a candle to this town, and I thought LA was a mean place. There's not much of a middle class in Tulsa. This is a two-class town: On the South Side you have upper-middle class. Utica Square area and Swan lake you have upper-class. The rest of the town is all working- and under-class. There's lots of homeless people. Lot's of meth heads.
When nut cases follow me down the street or Interstate I always head straight to a Police Department
or Sub Station , that tend to work very well for me thus far in life.
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Oh another thing you should know about Oklahoma is if you don't drive a truck, you are considered a ***. And if you're not a wigger that listens to ICP, good luck meeting friends as there are a ****-ton of juggalos here. There's also a lot of *****-kicking rednecks that listen to country music. Everyone in this town thinks and acts like they're ****ing JOHN WAYNE! It's pathetic.
You will start to see the disconnect these people have from reality after only a month of living here. The only taste of culture these people have out here is what they see on TV and the movies. So you will notice people living in these little fantasy worlds that they sort of borrow from TV. You will notice everyone here talks like it's from a script. They're all fake. Watch king of queens or Gangland and notice the next day at work every okie will be repeating something they heard from TV the night before, as if it's cool to parrot pop-culture cliches.
Tulsa is a big cliche. Everyone here wants to pretend like they are from LA or Chicago, so they put on this act. But the act is just a cliche from TV, because people in LA and Chicago don't really act like that.
I could go on and mention many more things like the cops, the crappy streets that will crack your rims, the refinery smell on the entire West Side, etc but I think that's enough for now. And as I said, it's just my opinion and experience. If any Okies are offended, then that's a personal problem for them b/c I'm still going to have my opinion and they can call me any name they want. This is my experience.
[i]I have a Brother-In-Law that comes from Tulsa/Muskogee/Taft Oklahoma ( funny thing is that we married two sisters ) and he always tells everyone that's he's from Los Angeles CA even though he never lived in the SoCal area of California. I'm from Tulsa/Nowata OK and have actually lived in the MSA Los Angeles area ...Long Beach for 14 to 15 Months , but mostly I'm from the San Francisco Bay Area ( 35 years ) , and always tell anybody and everybody that I'm a Oklahoma Transplant " I don't hide my Oklahoma roots from anybody at anytime....LOL
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I'm actually a little concerned about the crime in Tulsa. Looking at homes in the mid-town/brookside/cherry st. areas but what I see on the TPD's crime mapper gives me pause. Prior to this I lived in Tulsa from 1996-2003, has it gotten worse or it is about the same? I lived in Fresno for most of the past decade, and that has a bad reputation but we lived in an okay area and it wasn't that bad. Sadly, Fresno's crime is not as bad as Tulsa's, even though it is a slightly bigger city.
Not interested in living in South Tulsa or most of the burbs---would probably be too tough of a commute for me and they aren't the type of homes I'm interested in.
Just wondering if the crime is really that bad or if it's just media hyperbole. But the statistics are also cause for concern.
The cost of living calculator at that website says:
"You may take a 32.37% decrease and still maintain your standard of living."
So I would actually come out ahead even though the pay is less in Oklahoma compared to California. Now the question becomes what do people think about Tulsa as a place to live?
Coming from and being raised in California, I'd take Tulsa any day! I visit CA every year and most of my relatives are still there. Now they get a little bored on my rural ranch but they themselves like Tulsa. I prefer it to OKCity.
I'm actually a little concerned about the crime in Tulsa. Looking at homes in the mid-town/brookside/cherry st. areas but what I see on the TPD's crime mapper gives me pause. Prior to this I lived in Tulsa from 1996-2003, has it gotten worse or it is about the same? I lived in Fresno for most of the past decade, and that has a bad reputation but we lived in an okay area and it wasn't that bad. Sadly, Fresno's crime is not as bad as Tulsa's, even though it is a slightly bigger city.
Not interested in living in South Tulsa or most of the burbs---would probably be too tough of a commute for me and they aren't the type of homes I'm interested in.
Just wondering if the crime is really that bad or if it's just media hyperbole. But the statistics are also cause for concern.
Which neighborhoods?
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