No EV Mandate! (Green, Republic, Florida: transporting, income, maintenance)

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by MPK21

What happens when the wind isn't blowing or when the sun goes down?

How much electricity will a typical household use charging 2 or even 3 EVs?

Even if the U.S. went full solar, electric, and wind, what would the effect on the climate be?

Didn't Europe try a lot of this stuff during the Obama administration? Look how that turned out today: reliant on Russian energy...that will be shut off this winter which may not matter in the event there's a nuclear winter.

High energy prices will cost millions of lives and send another mass migration into the EU.

Storage capacity will be increased significantly in coming years. Perhaps used EV batteries will be used for electricity storage, or new technologies such as flow batteries.


https://www.hivepower.tech/blog/is-r...stainable-plan



https://www.zinc8energy.com/technology


EV batteries also may be used as home back-up power.


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/11/gm-e...y-storage.html

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

stay strong and red ohio! We deplorable love it that way!!!

So you're proud to champion environmental calamity???

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by tgbwc

We rarely use public chargers and when we have it has been free convenience charging while shopping at local level 2 stations. In 6+ years I could count on one hand the number of times we have used fast charging stations and none of the stops took more than 20 minutes. Our charging is done almost solely at home.

Is the cost of your EV electricity much less than paying for gasoline? In some areas, EVs can be charged at discounted rates in non-peak hours with smart metering systems.



Most EVs are charged at home, which saves to cost and time needed to go to a recharging station, or a gas station for an internal combustion vehicle.



<<McKinsey & Co. expects demand for gasoline to fall to $79 billion by 2030 from $87 billion in 2019. Nonfuel retail sales at stations will rise by more than a third over the same period, to $30 billion, and EV-charging revenue will hit $20 billion by 2030, McKinsey predicts. But McKinsey expects about 80% of charging to be done at home or the office, leaving Shell and other gas station operators to tussle over the remaining 20%.>>


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by WRnative

So you're proud to champion environmental calamity???

I'm proud of freedom and liberty.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

I'm proud of freedom and liberty.

Almost all Americans are proud of freedom and liberty, and most Americans respect those values by seeking the truth and not spreading falsehoods, especially when doing so threatens efforts to avert a crisis that actually threatens our freedom and liberty.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Almost all Americans are proud of freedom and liberty, and most Americans respect those values by seeking the truth and not spreading falsehoods, especially when doing so threatens efforts to avert a crisis that actually threatens our freedom and liberty.

That's why I don't trust any and all lies that comes out of the present establishments mouths. It's all about the green money to them and how much they want to take from workers and hand out to the lazy. It's their (Green New Deal)

[tgbwc]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Is the cost of your EV electricity much less than paying for gasoline? In some areas, EVs can be charged at discounted rates in non-peak hours with smart metering systems.



Most EVs are charged at home, which saves to cost and time needed to go to a recharging station, or a gas station for an internal combustion vehicle.



<<McKinsey & Co. expects demand for gasoline to fall to $79 billion by 2030 from $87 billion in 2019. Nonfuel retail sales at stations will rise by more than a third over the same period, to $30 billion, and EV-charging revenue will hit $20 billion by 2030, McKinsey predicts. But McKinsey expects about 80% of charging to be done at home or the office, leaving Shell and other gas station operators to tussle over the remaining 20%.>>


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

Any increase in our electric bill has been small. We haven't noticed it really. I have never actually figured the cost but we had our Bolt plugged in last weekend and just now plugged it in tonight after getting home from going out to dinner. It still had ~180 miles of range left.

I tell people it takes about 4 seconds to charge. 2 seconds to plug it in and 2 seconds to unplug it when we go to leave.

[woxyroxme]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Can you document your claims about tire wear? Why would EVs wear out tires more rapidly than gasoline-powered vehicles?

An EV is a lot heavier than a gasoline powered car and that makes tires wear out faster, the Mitsubishi Mirage only weighs 1800 pounds, the heaviest Tesla weighs more than my dad’s old 1977 Chrysler New Yorker land yacht that had a 440 max wedge under the hood, the car I have now is under 3000 pounds.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by woxyroxme

An EV is a lot heavier than a gasoline powered car and that makes tires wear out faster, the Mitsubishi Mirage only weighs 1800 pounds, the heaviest Tesla weighs more than my dad’s old 1977 Chrysler New Yorker land yacht that had a 440 max wedge under the hood, the car I have now is under 3000 pounds.

If people want to own and drive their EV, then fine. But don't sit there and interfere in my life and tell me what I have to own and drive.
Besides, where do they think electricity comes from, "fairy-f@rts". It comes from fossil fuel power plants and nuclear power plants. And look at all the plants it takes to make them and the equipment and supplies it took to make those plants. A Unicorn didn't pull all that out of their butts to make them. Get a life and stay in your own backyard and stay out of ours.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by woxyroxme

An EV is a lot heavier than a gasoline powered car and that makes tires wear out faster, the Mitsubishi Mirage only weighs 1800 pounds, the heaviest Tesla weighs more than my dad’s old 1977 Chrysler New Yorker land yacht that had a 440 max wedge under the hood, the car I have now is under 3000 pounds.

I never knew that EVs weighed more. If lightweight zinc oxide batteries are adopted, this weight differential should decrease significantly.


Whatever an EV owner pays extra due to increased tire wear, likely will be much more than offset by the much greater efficiency of EVs and their lower operating costs.


A key consideration is when the price of EV vehicles will become comparable to gasoline-powered vehicles. This may happen rapidly if the cost of batteries fall and as EVs gain economies of scale in manufacturing.


Regardless, the costs of climate change on society greatly outweigh any cost of transitioning to EVs.



Promoters of fossil fuel seem oblivious to increasing impairment of the nation's food supplies and the reality that large areas of the country will soon become less livable, even unlivable, due to rising ocean levels, wildfires, even atmospheric heat levels. They have no concern for rising sea levels, the destruction of the beauty of our national parks, or degradation of marine fisheries and marine life doe to ocean acidification. They seem indifferent to the monstrous costs of natural disaster recovery, which especially is diverting significant resources away from Ohio to more disaster-prone states such as Florida and Texas.