No EV Mandate! (Cleveland, Russia: sales, 2014, insurance)

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by Cleverfield

I'm an Ohioan and I'm certainly not proud of the Red direction this state is going. Also, got news for you but EVs are the future, regardless of what Tim Ryan does. All of the major auto-makers are tooling up to transition completely or mostly EVs within the next couple of decades. Ohio could actually benefit from that transition with good manufacturing jobs if it weren't for ideologues who cling to gas and oil like they're some holy things that must be our eternal power-source for all of time.

The same can be said of wind power. There was a movement to bring wind turbine manufacturing here, which would have created good paying jobs, but the republicans in the state were too stuck in their ways (and in the pockets of the oil/gas companies) to recognize the opportunity, and they passed some of the worst restrictions against wind power in the country.

What happens when the wind isn't blowing or when the sun goes down?

How much electricity will a typical household use charging 2 or even 3 EVs?

Even if the U.S. went full solar, electric, and wind, what would the effect on the climate be?

Didn't Europe try a lot of this stuff during the Obama administration? Look how that turned out today: reliant on Russian energy...that will be shut off this winter which may not matter in the event there's a nuclear winter.

High energy prices will cost millions of lives and send another mass migration into the EU.

[Cleverfield]

Originally Posted by MPK21

What happens when the wind isn't blowing or when the sun goes down?
https://medium.com/predict/whos-gonn...w-578df876124a

https://www.aepenergy.com/blog/renew...sun-goes-down/

How much electricity will a typical household use charging 2 or even 3 EVs?
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...te-power-grids

Even if the U.S. went full solar, electric, and wind, what would the effect on the climate be?
https://fas.org/blogs/sciencepolicy/...-technologies/

These are good questions. Type them into the google machine and you can find the articles above.

[Kerby W-R]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

Hey! Tim Ryan you know what you can do with your EV (Electric Vehicle) idea? You can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Ohio is a proud red state, we're not the communist state of California. We like our gas and diesel burning cars and trucks. It's called freedom if haven't noticed.
I'm definitely voting for a republican just to send you packing.

Proud lefty liberal trying to turn Ohio back to blue. The Republicans are ruining our state and giving us a bad reputation.

[ohioaninsc]

Originally Posted by Kerby W-R

Proud lefty liberal trying to turn Ohio back to blue. The Republicans are ruining our state and giving us a bad reputation.

Yep...wish they'd all move to some backwater like Mississippi and let us make Ohio a great state again like it could be.

[ZnGuy]

Originally Posted by MPK21

What happens when the wind isn't blowing or when the sun goes down?

How much electricity will a typical household use charging 2 or even 3 EVs?

Even if the U.S. went full solar, electric, and wind, what would the effect on the climate be?

Didn't Europe try a lot of this stuff during the Obama administration? Look how that turned out today: reliant on Russian energy...that will be shut off this winter which may not matter in the event there's a nuclear winter.

High energy prices will cost millions of lives and send another mass migration into the EU.

Europe is great example of what the Green New Deal would do to America. Europe economy is a train wreck. People will not be able to heat their homes and manufacturing is shutting down. I’m in commodity field and most of the smelters are shutting down due too the extreme energy costs. It’s reason why many metals are priced so high. One good thing personally, my company is having best year (profits) since 1968 and I am having my best year in 38 yrs of selling.

[WRnative]

Proponents of continued, even increased fossil fuel consumption are oblivious to scientific, even now easily observed, reality and cruelly indifferent about the futures they are bestowing on younger and future generations of Ohioans and Americans, let alone mankind in general. Read through this thread, but especially post 241 from this morning:


<<moronic climate change denialism>>


https://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio...l#post64222091

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by ZnGuy

Europe is great example of what the Green New Deal would do to America. Europe economy is a train wreck. People will not be able to heat their homes and manufacturing is shutting down. I’m in commodity field and most of the smelters are shutting down due too the extreme energy costs. It’s reason why many metals are priced so high. One good thing personally, my company is having best year (profits) since 1968 and I am having my best year in 38 yrs of selling.

Europe is struggling because it embraced fossil fuel energy sources supplied by an evil despot, ignoring the urgent warnings of this idiocy from the U.S. Germany even shuttered nuclear generation capacity replacing it with natural gas generation. Ohio narrowly escaped a similar fate (Pennsylvania didn't, shutting down its last Three Mile Island nuclear generator in 2019), which would have resulted in even higher electricity and natural gas prices in Ohio, especially northern Ohio if our Lake Erie nuclear generators had been decommissioned as desired by many.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...il-nord-stream

IF Europe were willing to embrace Putin's violent "home invasion" of Ukraine, including theft and the slaughter of women and children, wholesale destruction of infrastructure, the eviction of millions of refugees from their nation, Europe would have no energy crisis. You really don't understand this and are willing to promote the European energy crisis as an example of the consequences of reducing fossil fuel consumption despite alternative energy providing cheaper sources of energy than fossil fuels, even ignoring the disastrous economic externalities of continued fossil fuel consumption?


Europe, and even the U.S. also are suffering from the loss of metal supplies, including pig iron from the Ukraine, as the result of the Russian invasion and of sanctions. You're in the industry and are oblivious to these realities??? E.g.,


https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine...er-11649766780



Your post, whether intentionally or not, is just one more piece of Climate Change Big Lie propaganda.


BTW, Cleveland Cliffs is self sufficient in pig iron to its (and Cleveland's) great advantage. Do you work for Cliffs?

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by ohioaninsc

yep...wish they'd all move to some backwater like mississippi and let us make ohio a great state again like it could be.

stay strong and red ohio! We deplorable love it that way!!!

[tgbwc]

Originally Posted by woxyroxme

They call them charging stations because they will be charging you a lot of money.

Those look like Electrify America fast charging stations. Nobody is spending 8 hours at those. That rate is probably more like the rate per kWh. Then perhaps that rate per/minute will be charged as an idle fee after a grace period.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by tgbwc

Those look like Electrify America fast charging stations. Nobody is spending 8 hours at those. That rate is probably more like the rate per kWh. Then perhaps that rate per/minute will be charged as an idle fee after a grace period.

Buy a Prius and you won't have to spend any time at the charging station and very little time and money at the fuel pumps. Besides, I don't think I've ever heard of a Prius igniting like a 4th of July fireworks grand finally.