Do you support the new Trump ban on travel from 7 Muslim countries, even though opposed by Ohio's U.S. Senators? (Cleveland: appointed, crime rates)

[ZnGuy]

Originally Posted by SWOH

Get over yourself.

Have you paid attention to the millions of people protesting him?
(and how many went to his inauguration??? Feel free to leave the Fake news of Brietbart and its ilk at home)

The people didn't vote for him. A relic did, one that should have been retired ages ago. One that, in as many words says F**** the people of America because they are too dumb to vote.

The ironic thing is the dumb ones chose King Cheeto to lead.
Watch Idiocracy. It's quickly becoming a history lesson....

Get over yourself. Elections have consequences, you lost. Stop watching fake news bud. I find it humorous about the protesting, it's gonna be a long 8 years for you guys. I'm looking forward to all the rollbacks of the last 8 yrs of Obama and new Supreme Court. It's a great day for conservatives and we all look forward to the transformation of the country to being great again. Thanks Harry Reid for the nuclear option 😆

[bjimmy24]

Some day you guys will embrace localism and take the only logical step and push for secession. Hey, we tried to do this as a big country, but it just doesn't work. No reason why Obama should make the rules for people who were against his socialistic health care policies. No reason why Trump has any more authority to make calls on any state's willingness to accept immigrants either.

I find it very hard to get worked up about our country's politics. The near hysterical left and the Trumpians each exhibit their own special ways of deflecting, justifying, and generally only accepting their own ideas as valid.

Have fun out there!

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

No big deal???

In one fell swoop, Trump is impairing the international reputation of the Cleveland Clinic and other major U.S. medical centers that have spent decades building international client pipelines essential for their viability.

<< Another major health system, Cleveland Clinic, told STAT that it had nine patients scheduled to come to the United States for care from the affected countries....

“These are very, very ill patients,” Pamela Paulk, president of Johns Hopkins Medicine International, told STAT. “In most cases, these are not cases to be postponed.”>>

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/30/...der-hospitals/

If Trump expands the ban to Saudi Arabia, it could be crippling for the Cleveland Clinic, which has in the past served the Saudi royal family. Even if the ban is lifted, Muslims in the future who might once have chosen U.S. medical institutions for advanced care now will turn to other nations.

Consider the impact on U.S. multinationals who need to market globally and bring foreign employees and clients to the U.S. for training.

As for your 109 number, it's another Trump "alternative fact."

You're not counting the tens of thousands now barred from travel to the U.S., some of whom are important U.S. allies and employees of U.S. multinationals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4f78b68d5d73

How stupid is it to bar one of our top Iraqi allies in the fight against terrorism from visiting his family in the U.S.?

Iraqi general who works with American military kept from visiting U.S. - CBS News

Top Iraqi general barred from entering U.S. to visit family - Videos - CBS News

Trump better get his head straight fast or he's going to make the U.S. a pariah in the Middle East, or is this one of the tasks assigned to him by Putin?

Reportedly there are 17,000 university students in the U.S. from the currently seven designated countries.

International Students Stranded By Trump Order : NPR Ed : NPR

Ohio colleges and universities appear universally opposed to the Trump travel ban.

Colleges vow to protect students, scholars affected by Trump immigration order | cleveland.com

Originally Posted by Natural510

Another terrorist attack yesterday from a white North American, this time a Canadian who hates Muslims. But tell me again how some homeless refugees are a threat.

We probably have another serial killer on clevelands east side.
Chicago had 700 murders last year.
And people are complaining about a 90-120 day ban on people coming to this country from known terrorist countries?! Really?

[WRnative]

The story of a Cleveland Clinic resident whose re-entry into the U.S. was blocked by the poorly conceived and executed Trump travel ban is a disgusting one that is receiving great attention in Cleveland. Yeah, I know, the Trumpies will call this "fake" news in their deluded separation from reality.

Cleveland Clinic doctor removed from U.S. under Trump's immigration ban says feds misled her | cleveland.com

Any normal administration would react quickly to right a highly publicized wrong that negatively impacted an individual of high regard in a community. Denying any individual the right to legal counsel should never be tolerated in the U.S. The Cleveland Clinic's lucrative ability to attract patients from foreign countries depends upon having medical personnel with requisite language skills and certainly the ability of patients to reliably enter the country. Sadly, in fell swoop, the Trump administration likely has permanently damaged this important aspect of the Clinic's business model and therefore lessened the Clinic's economic ability to maintain its reputation for excellence and medical innovation, a reputation important not only to Cleveland's economy, but also to the medical welfare of Ohioans.

Failure of the Trump administration to correct this situation will resonate throughout northeast Ohio for years to come, especially among the large immigrant community and in the large and important Cleveland medical community.

The Cleveland Clinic, a very important employer in Greater Cleveland, knows that the Trump administration has delivered a body blow to the Clinic's international reputation and long cultivated patient pipeline to the Middle East.

Banning doctors and patients over a political stunt will not soon be forgotten, nor will the inaction or apparent inability of Ohio Republicans, such as Trump supporter Senator Rob Portman, to mitigate quickly the bad consequences of Trump's travel ban.

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/ind...t_2box_opinion

[1watertiger]

Originally Posted by WRnative

The story of a Cleveland Clinic resident whose re-entry into the U.S. was blocked by the poorly conceived and executed Trump travel ban is a disgusting one that is receiving great attention in Cleveland. Yeah, I know, the Trumpies will call this "fake" news in their deluded separation from reality.

Cleveland Clinic doctor removed from U.S. under Trump's immigration ban says feds misled her | cleveland.com

Any normal administration would react quickly to right a highly publicized wrong that negatively impacted an individual of high regard in a community. Denying any individual the right to legal counsel should never be tolerated in the U.S. The Cleveland Clinic's lucrative ability to attract patients from foreign countries depends upon having medical personnel with requisite language skills and certainly the ability of patients to reliably enter the country. Sadly, in fell swoop, the Trump administration likely has permanently damaged this important aspect of the Clinic's business model and therefore lessened the Clinic's economic ability to maintain its reputation for excellence and medical innovation, a reputation important not only to Cleveland's economy, but also to the medical welfare of Ohioans.

Failure of the Trump administration to correct this situation will resonate throughout northeast Ohio for years to come, especially among the large immigrant community and in the large and important Cleveland medical community.

The Cleveland Clinic, a very important employer in Greater Cleveland, knows that the Trump administration has delivered a body blow to the Clinic's international reputation and long cultivated patient pipeline to the Middle East.

Banning doctors and patients over a political stunt will not soon be forgotten, nor will the inaction or apparent inability of Ohio Republicans, such as Trump supporter Senator Rob Portman, to mitigate quickly the bad consequences of Trump's travel ban.

Sen. Rob Portman must lead in legislative efforts to counter President Trump's dangerously expansive travel ban: editorial | cleveland.com

Long winded opinion. A few people inconvenienced for the extra precaution for hundreds of millions of Americans. . Quit crying. The majority of America is fine with the ban.

[Caleb Longstreet]

Originally Posted by notnamed

And those instances have nothing to do with this whatsoever. They were domestic terrorism.

Boston bombing - they were American citizens originally from Kyrgyzstan/Chechnya.
Orlando nightclub shooter - straight up American citizen born and raised here
San Bernadion - American citizen born and raised here who married someone from Pakistan/Saudi Arabia brought in on a fiancee visa which is heavily screened

Good point, maybe we should have been checking their parents way back when, hmmmmm? Which brings up a better point, perhaps we should be checking everyone that goes in and out of a Mosque aka eavesdropping style so we can find out WHOM is RADICALIZING these folks, eh?


And then there is 9/11. I don't think they were raised here, were they?


Crickets.....

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

We probably have another serial killer on clevelands east side.
Chicago had 700 murders last year.
And people are complaining about a 90-120 day ban on people coming to this country from known terrorist countries?! Really?

How many times does the "known terrorist countries" myth need to be debunked? None of the seven countries have delivered a terrorist attack on US soil.

[SWOH]

Originally Posted by ZnGuy

Get over yourself. Elections have consequences, you lost. Stop watching fake news bud. I find it humorous about the protesting, it's gonna be a long 8 years for you guys. I'm looking forward to all the rollbacks of the last 8 yrs of Obama and new Supreme Court. It's a great day for conservatives and we all look forward to the transformation of the country to being great again. Thanks Harry Reid for the nuclear option ��

I'm looking forward to slinging mud on your side's tyranny...
You make it quite clear what mud you bathe in.

We (those who oppose authoritarianism in all stripes) have the freedom to do what we do best, mock, belittle, and assault tyranny.
We will stop at nothing to see its demise.

We will stand up, we will fight, and most importantly we will conquer.
Your kind will be seen as akin to how Nazis are seen today, make no mistakes, if your leader King Cheeto continues on this path.
At best, those who support the wheezing obese authoritarian will be considered a laughingstock worthy of history's worst scorn, at worse imprisonment if you go so far as to actively support his race-based suppression and mutilation (it's coming) campaigns.


Choose your destiny carefully.

[robertbrianbush]

Originally Posted by notnamed

And those instances have nothing to do with this whatsoever. They were domestic terrorism.

Boston bombing - they were American citizens originally from Kyrgyzstan/Chechnya.
Orlando nightclub shooter - straight up American citizen born and raised here
San Bernadion - American citizen born and raised here who married someone from Pakistan/Saudi Arabia brought in on a fiancee visa which is heavily screened

And it appears as though the Orlando shooter may well have had personal reasons for carrying out his attack.

[WRnative]

The poorly executed, as admitted by Paul Ryan and many other leading Republicans, Trump travel ban also is causing angst among many immigrant families, including those in Ohio.

<<Yesterday, I learned that our nation's changing immigration orders have resulted in some Beachwood families' parents, friends and colleagues being unable to return to Cleveland after traveling to see family or for work. I am aware of Beachwood students in each of our schools who may be afraid for their family's wellbeing since many parents in our school district have green cards for work and graduate study. Expressions of emotion and fear from our students are genuine, as some of them are experiencing the upheaval in our laws and in the protests erupting around the country in a very direct way.>>

Beachwood superintendent addresses Trump's immigration ban in message to school community | cleveland.com

The Trump administration has turned the U.S. into a very unwelcoming place for many international workers, often important to the success of multinational corporations and institutions, such as the Cleveland Clinic and multinational corporations. There will be negative ramifications obviously not considered by the Trump administration.

Both Canada and Mexico are mounting efforts to lure research centers from the U.S. given the perception that the U.S. is no longer respectful of legal protections for immigrants.

Trump Immigration Ban Could Send Foreign-Born Tech Workers To Canada

It is no accident that the stock price of General Electric, a major employer in Ohio and one of the major exporters in the U.S., has weakened substantially in the wake of the Trump travel ban. Cleveland multinational operations such as those of Eaton and Parker Hannifin likely have similar worries.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...lectric-234517

My apology in advance to Trumpies not used to reading, especially any reasoned, documented discussion.