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Old 03-15-2024, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Why is air not logical to charge for when water, land and food are? Charge for it all then. Nobody should essentially be allowed to exist on this planet if they are not earning money.
Positive vs negative rights.
If you have to force other people to provide for your rights (such as food or shelter or water in NYC) prepare to pay.
Air is free because no one has to work to provide it to you. Right to life is free as well, because no one has to work for you to simply exist, however the moment you need others to work for you to live (healthcare), be prepared to pay.

At the end of the day, people expect to be compensated for their work, regardless if you call them rights or not. If you do not want to pay for your rights, provide those rights to yourself without involving others and their labor.

You can always grow your own food, use home remedies for healthcare, collect rainwater or drink from a stream, etc.
What you really want is QUALITY diverse food, QUALITY healthcare, QUALITY drinking water delivered conveniently to your house, QUALITY house to live in made out of materials you can't procure yourself, and then call them "rights".
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Old 03-15-2024, 02:51 PM
 
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I give you a logical analysis, and you give me a quick flippant nonsense. The only worry to me are people like you :-).
A common tactic this poster uses. Make an absurd claim, get absolutely annihilated , then change the direction of the conversation to another absurd claim.
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Old 03-15-2024, 03:45 PM
 
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Positive vs negative rights.
If you have to force other people to provide for your rights (such as food or shelter or water in NYC) prepare to pay.
Air is free because no one has to work to provide it to you. Right to life is free as well, because no one has to work for you to simply exist, however the moment you need others to work for you to live (healthcare), be prepared to pay.

At the end of the day, people expect to be compensated for their work, regardless if you call them rights or not. If you do not want to pay for your rights, provide those rights to yourself without involving others and their labor.

You can always grow your own food, use home remedies for healthcare, collect rainwater or drink from a stream, etc.
What you really want is QUALITY diverse food, QUALITY healthcare, QUALITY drinking water delivered conveniently to your house, QUALITY house to live in made out of materials you can't procure yourself, and then call them "rights".
All of these things used to be free at one point, somewhere along the line it was decided that it should be no longer free anymore, let's talk about that

None of this was an issue before people decided it was cool to rob other people for their land and kill them because most cities in the 1300s were polluted
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Old 03-15-2024, 05:55 PM
 
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All of these things used to be free at one point, somewhere along the line it was decided that it should be no longer free anymore, let's talk about that

None of this was an issue before people decided it was cool to rob other people for their land and kill them because most cities in the 1300s were polluted
This poster really believes that the world was more just and humans just got things for free the further one goes back in history?


I can’t stop laughing.
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Old 03-15-2024, 07:11 PM
 
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All of these things used to be free at one point, somewhere along the line it was decided that it should be no longer free anymore, let's talk about that

None of this was an issue before people decided it was cool to rob other people for their land and kill them because most cities in the 1300s were polluted
Just go buy a tent and find a spot in the Adirondacks that's off the beaten path but near a stream with fishes. Then you set up camp and you'll have shelter, water, air and food for free! Your rights are now granted.
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Old 03-15-2024, 10:06 PM
 
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Just go buy a tent and find a spot in the Adirondacks that's off the beaten path but near a stream with fishes. Then you set up camp and you'll have shelter, water, air and food for free! Your rights are now granted.
Can't, I'd be trespassing
The Adirondacks is divided ownership between NYS and the rest is private
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Old 03-17-2024, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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So, tenants decide to take matters into their own hands and buy the owner out. Instead of a congrats, it's "be careful what you wish for." This, despite what the tenants wished for being already known: to have basic repairs in their building their landlord deliberately failed to do! But, we want to criticize the responsible tenants, as opposed to the irresponsible landlord. Welcome to City-Data!

And $4 million for a building in the South Bronx. I can understand why folk want to escape from New York!
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Old 03-17-2024, 05:50 AM
 
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So, tenants decide to take matters into their own hands and buy the owner out. Instead of a congrats, it's "be careful what you wish for." This, despite what the tenants wished for being already known: to have basic repairs in their building their landlord deliberately failed to do! But, we want to criticize the responsible tenants, as opposed to the irresponsible landlord. Welcome to City-Data!

And $4 million for a building in the South Bronx. I can understand why folk want to escape from New York!
It’s more like the tenants used the state to force the owner to sell because they want to pay for catfish and eat lobster. Soon, they’ll find out that if you want to eat lobster, you actually have to pay for lobster.
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Old 03-17-2024, 06:06 AM
 
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Unfortunately like tax liens these deals end up being very costly

we were actually awarded a house in wallington New Jersey in a tax auction

What a horror story it turned out to be
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Old 03-17-2024, 06:41 AM
 
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So, tenants decide to take matters into their own hands and buy the owner out. Instead of a congrats, it's "be careful what you wish for." This, despite what the tenants wished for being already known: to have basic repairs in their building their landlord deliberately failed to do! But, we want to criticize the responsible tenants, as opposed to the irresponsible landlord. Welcome to City-Data!

And $4 million for a building in the South Bronx. I can understand why folk want to escape from New York!
The building has 20 Class A units as per HPD. So it's only $200K per unit, thats a reasonable price when you look at it in that way
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