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Who watches the watchers? What do we do if Superman goes bad?
Who watches America? What does the world do if America goes bad and decides it wants to conquer the world?
War and destruction is what happens.
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And that's fine if you don't want to elevate the story about cartoon-fare for kids. Nothing wrong with that. But if the movies want to keep drawing in adults or even (gasp!) make a movie of real quality that will move audiences and stick in their minds for the rest of their lives, then they need to aim higher.
No argument there, problem is they're still confined to PG-13 and "superhero formula" movies.
I'd love to see a good superhero kill the wrong person or turn bad or become more complex. Again, they still have to stay within the formula because if they don't, you get movies like Infinity War where everyone is so sad and gloomy after the movie. "Oh no, the avengers took over the world and have used it enrich themselves instead of just saving the world." I can see society upset with that outcome.
Luckily, we are getting a few movies who go outside the superhero formula like Deadpool and Venom.
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They're settling for Good Guy Punch Bad Guy Till Bad Guy Fall Down.
Civil War didn't have that, and again in this movie, it was the bad guy who won.
I know we are essentially watching modern-day mythology, with wars amongst the gods. But even the Greeks knew that their best stories seldom involved the gods as main characters, but as movers and influencers. Their best stories were about vulnerable human beings. Marvel and DC need to take that lesson to heart.
Exactly what Ares is in Wonder Woman. Exactly.
We've seen great, great villains from DC over the years (and some not so great). DC is easily better than Marvel in that dept.
That said, Thanos is the first MCU villain I feel is worthy of my time since Loki. It only took them a decade to finally script somebody, with much help from creator Jim Starlin (I'm sure you saw that long standalone line thanking him in the credits), who didn't come off as one-note or an echo of the hero who's fighting him (you know, like Whiplash, nonMandarin, almost-Killian, Darren Cross aka Fake Yellowjacket). Barnes doesn't count because as the Winter Soldier he was being manipulated. Erik Killmonger was solid, but he was afforded many conveniences.
They pulled off a really solid movie. It wasn't perfect, but considering that they had to tie in all of the different characters and movies, they did as solid of a job as they possibly could. Entertaining, great action, it was actually a dark Marvel movie that kept you on the edge. They also did a good job of keeping the twists a secret (although if you haven't seen it by now, the spoilers are bound to get out which completely takes away from the movie).
Thanos was a beast in every sense. He completely stole the show. The fact that they tied up 18 movies, 10 years in the way that they did was impressive.
True. But here is what makes me nervous about upcoming WW movies:
The heart of her character (her origin story) is … well, kinda boring. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, the Fantastic Four, etc. are all born out of trauma or tragedy. Many of them become heroes in attempt to either redeem a personal sin or to try to fit in to a society that doesn’t want them. It makes them compelling because their quest isn’t just about Beating the Bad Guy, but about filling an Inner Need.
What Inner Need does Wonder Woman have? She already knows who she is. She was born in order to defeat Ares. She did that. Now what? Just hang out and do good and be awesome? Not even the overflowing charm of Gal Gadot is going to be able to make that interesting for very long.
Not saying the writers can’t do it. But they definitely have a hurdle to jump with Wonder Woman that many other super heroes don’t have.
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We've seen great, great villains from DC over the years (and some not so great). DC is easily better than Marvel in that dept.
Are you talking about comics or movies?
In comics, Batman definitely has the best rogues gallery of any super hero --- although Spider-Man runs a real close second. But aside from Nolan's The Dark Knight, none of the movies have managed to bring the awesome DC villains to life. Lex Luthor ought to have been a formidable criminal mastermind and instead came across as the love child of Mark Zuckerberg and Jar Jar Binks. The weakest episode of Smallville still had a better Lex than anything we've seen on the big screen.
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That said, Thanos is the first MCU villain I feel is worthy of my time since Loki.
To each his own. I just don't find invulnerable gods all that interesting. A character who can't be hurt isn't very interesting.
I just watched yesterday. I really enjoyed it but I'm glad there's a part 2 because I left feeling a little depressed.
Random little tidbit that others have not mentioned, one of my favorite little bits was teenage Groot with his video game and Rocket telling him to stop playing because it was going to rot his brain. LOL! I love those two.
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