Minnesota is number 1!!!!!!!!!!! (Minneapolis, Virginia, Mora: sales, buying, public schools)

[cornsnicker3]

Originally Posted by Hulsker 1856

It's true. Minnesota has a high tax burden - somewhere around 11%.

What the dim-witted are too clueless to realize is... well, basic math. You see, Minnesota is a top state for income.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...annual-income/

What this means - and this gets really complicated, so you'll need at least a middle school education in a state that actually believes in funding public schools - is that Minnesota's tax rate of 11% x its relatively high income (far, far higher than those low-tax paradises like Florida and Texas) results in more after-tax money that in those other states. Again, math. It's tricky. Like, numbers and multiplication and percentages. Real Einstein stuff.

Wait - I can hear the cries of 'cost of living!' being shrieked out as I type. Sorry, Minnesota's COL is almost identical to the national average (actually, it's just slightly below).

I think it is reasonable to segregate Minnesota into areas within the Minneapolis-St.
Paul metro area and the rest of the state. Bulk averages are not especially useful for communication affordability (i.e. here in Duluth, homes are very affordable and the amenities are pretty nice.)

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ost_of_living/

I know that it must be upsetting to those steeped in Ayn Rand fantasies and supply-side voodoo that a state that taxes its citizens more than other states actually has higher incomes, better infrastructure, and pretty much better everything, than the crapholes that tax less. Because this flies in the face of wingnut economic dogma. Too bad those touting such drivel never actually look at the real world to see of their theories actually pan out (pssst! they don't!).

Need I mention that Minnesota is a donor state? That's right - Minnesota is one of those states that sends more $ to DC than it receives in return, so that feeble (low tax) states that can't fend for themselves (Alabama, Indiana, North Dakota, the usual suspects) don't go belly up. It's true:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/

I agree with the sentiment, but understand that the state is not literally sending more money to the federal government than it receives. Minnesotans are paying more in federal income tax than the state of Minnesota is receiving in the way of federal spending. No material difference, but you should be clear.

We already have places like Mississippi and West Virginia. If you want to live in a place that sucks like they do, why don't you move there rather than try and make Minnesota suck as much as they do?

Overall, good and accurate post

[MattMN]

You DO get a lot for your taxes. You look at the parks, transportation, arts, sports, schools (preschool on up), healthcare, county services, etc., and you get a lot more than most states. Sure you could take anything from that list and nitpick about it, but there's a reason Minnesota makes the top-5 in an awful lot of positive national lists.

Also agree with another poster about salaries. You do an even job comparison in many states with lower taxes, and you'll find salaries trend lower in those states as well.

[phlinak]

Originally Posted by Hulsker 1856

It's true. Minnesota has a high tax burden - somewhere around 11%.

What the dim-witted are too clueless to realize is... well, basic math. You see, Minnesota is a top state for income.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...annual-income/

What this means - and this gets really complicated, so you'll need at least a middle school education in a state that actually believes in funding public schools - is that Minnesota's tax rate of 11% x its relatively high income (far, far higher than those low-tax paradises like Florida and Texas) results in more after-tax money that in those other states. Again, math. It's tricky. Like, numbers and multiplication and percentages. Real Einstein stuff.

Wait - I can hear the cries of 'cost of living!' being shrieked out as I type. Sorry, Minnesota's COL is almost identical to the national average (actually, it's just slightly below).

https://www.missourieconomy.org/indi...ost_of_living/

I know that it must be upsetting to those steeped in Ayn Rand fantasies and supply-side voodoo that a state that taxes its citizens more than other states actually has higher incomes, better infrastructure, and pretty much better everything, than the crapholes that tax less. Because this flies in the face of wingnut economic dogma. Too bad those touting such drivel never actually look at the real world to see of their theories actually pan out (pssst! they don't!).

Need I mention that Minnesota is a donor state? That's right - Minnesota is one of those states that sends more $ to DC than it receives in return, so that feeble (low tax) states that can't fend for themselves (Alabama, Indiana, North Dakota, the usual suspects) don't go belly up. It's true:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...vernment/2700/

We already have places like Mississippi and West Virginia. If you want to live in a place that sucks like they do, why don't you move there rather than try and make Minnesota suck as much as they do?

If you exclude the putdowns and insults in your post, then what is left is pretty accurate and encapsulates the reasons that the Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area is on our short list of places we are considering for retirement in a few years.

[Citykid3785]

I will say, I used to naively think that retirees only moved due to the weather. It wasn't until my father retired that he explained to me the financial decisions in front of him. Imagine being faced with the decision to have a $80K/year pension taxed or not taxed depending on where you live. Obviously there are so many other factors at play, first of which is usually proximity to family.

[my54ford]

I actually think the douchebags are in the Metro. Small town folks know how to take care of eachother. If you can't make it in small town MN you best stay in the city and suck up all the wonderful programs the rest of us are paying for...Some of the previous post are what will drive this state red sooner or later..............

[WoodburyWoody]

Originally Posted by MattMN

You DO get a lot for your taxes. You look at the parks, transportation, arts, sports, schools (preschool on up), healthcare, county services, etc., and you get a lot more than most states. Sure you could take anything from that list and nitpick about it, but there's a reason Minnesota makes the top-5 in an awful lot of positive national lists.

Also agree with another poster about salaries. You do an even job comparison in many states with lower taxes, and you'll find salaries trend lower in those states as well.

The state park system in this state is really, really nice. As are many of the locally-supported parks (county, city, etc.).

[Tyryztoll]

Originally Posted by WoodburyWoody

The state park system in this state is really, really nice. As are many of the locally-supported parks (county, city, etc.).

By far the best I've ever seen. So good it substantially upgrades ones quality of life should they choose to utilize it (them).

[Tyryztoll]

Originally Posted by phlinak

If you exclude the putdowns and insults in your post, then what is left is pretty accurate.

I thought the terms for CD didn't allow that kind of nonsense? Yet that guy runs amok with it. The Minnesota moderators are either asleep or turning a blind eye.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by Tyryztoll

I thought the terms for CD didn't allow that kind of nonsense? Yet that guy runs amok with it. The Minnesota moderators are either asleep or turning a blind eye.

oh-oh, against the TOS to discuss Moderators' actions or inactions

[rjf1958]

Think Hulsker is responding to post #2 more than the other comments.