Minneapolis: Most dangerous downtown of any US major city? (Stephen: buy, school)

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Fraakonomics’ comparison of NYC and LA are flawed because he did not correctly adjust for population growth.

Freakonomics is to an academic statistical study as an Oprah Winfrey self-help book is to the Torah, Bible, or Koran. It pretends to be serious but, although entertaining and perhaps not wholly without merit, really isn’t in the same league at all.

With only a few exceptions, crime plunged across the US in the 1990s, including in many cities which did not implement policing strategies based on the broken window theory. This is evidence that there wasn’t a strong causal relationship between the broken window theory and the decrease in crime.

The book takes serious academic studies and narrates them in an entertaining way to be consumed by the masses. It doesn’t mean that the academic study they reference is invalid.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

The book takes serious academic studies and narrates them in an entertaining way to be consumed by the masses. It doesn’t mean that the academic study they reference is invalid.

Nor is it a foregone conclusion that the Freakonomics authors’ conclusions are valid. It’s entertainment.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Nor is it a foregone conclusion that the Freakonomics authors’ conclusions are valid. It’s entertainment.

There is a another compelling study that found a relationship between crime and lead pollution (lead poisoning in children has been found to greatly increase the likelihood of engaging in unlawful activity later in life) and this was a factor absent from Levitt’s study. I think it’s plausible that this explains some of the reduction in crime in the 1990’s as it fits the timeframe of when the EPA was established and policies were put in place to minimize lead pollution in the US.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

There is a another compelling study that found a relationship between crime and lead pollution and this was a factor absent from Levitt’s study. I think it’s plausible that this explains some of the reduction in crime in the 1990’s as it fits the timeframe of when the EPA was established and policies were put in place to greatly minimize lead pollution.

Coincidence does not equal causation.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Coincidence does not equal causation.

Correct. And there is evidence of a causal relationship here. However, I’ll let you consult with your scholarly sources to draw your own conclusion.

[TheGrandViking]

People are still pushing broken window theory?

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-eviden...ghborhood.html

O'Brien and his colleagues used a procedure called meta-analysis to conduct their research. This means that they searched online research databases to find studies to include in their research, tested and recorded the results of each study, and pooled all those results together in order to draw a conclusion about the "broken windows theory."

The researchers analyzed nearly 300 studies that examined the effects of at least one element of neighborhood disorder (say, graffiti or public drunkenness) on at least one outcome at the individual level (say, committing a violent crime or using drugs).

The Northeastern researchers say that they found two widespread flaws in how past studies that found evidence for the broken windows theory were designed. These flaws, they say, led to conclusions that overstated the impact that elements of neighborhood disorder had on crime and health.

I thought the flaws of the broken window theory were well known...I guess not.

[delunsa]

Originally Posted by TheGrandViking

People are still pushing broken window theory?

https://phys.org/news/2019-05-eviden...ghborhood.html

O'Brien and his colleagues used a procedure called meta-analysis to conduct their research. This means that they searched online research databases to find studies to include in their research, tested and recorded the results of each study, and pooled all those results together in order to draw a conclusion about the "broken windows theory."

The researchers analyzed nearly 300 studies that examined the effects of at least one element of neighborhood disorder (say, graffiti or public drunkenness) on at least one outcome at the individual level (say, committing a violent crime or using drugs).

The Northeastern researchers say that they found two widespread flaws in how past studies that found evidence for the broken windows theory were designed. These flaws, they say, led to conclusions that overstated the impact that elements of neighborhood disorder had on crime and health.

I thought the flaws of the broken window theory were well known...I guess not.

Either way, Minneapolis still has a problem with thugs jumping on innocent people.

[wamer27]

Maybe I was wrong about the mayors blame.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/minnea...cops-left-wing

[ABQConvict]

Originally Posted by TwinsFan1975

However the left hates the police because they ultimately want to abolish local police and create a national police force. Under their control, of course.

Yup. Here is the foremost authority on the matter.

[TheGrandViking]

Originally Posted by wamer27

Maybe I was wrong about the mayors blame.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/minnea...cops-left-wing

Kroll, a far right stooge, is upset with the far left...you don't say.
Injecting Bob Kroll, as a appeal to authority considering his history and track record, is unwise. The clown promotes Warrior training and on the losing side of the lawsuit brought by our current chief of police and 4 other black police stating that he wore a white power patch on his leather jacket. He has also cost the city of Minneapolis some cash on some cases involving police brutality. I find it disturbing that a guy with that track record is voted an union rep. Not a great look for the rest of the Minneapolis police force.

Here is a link to the lawsuit
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/fea.../complaint.pdf

On or about January 1992, every African American officer at Defendant
Minneapolis received a hate letter signed “KKK” through the interoffice police departmental mail.
This letter threatened each African American officer’s life.
15. A recent example of the tolerance Defendants have for racially discriminatory
conduct by white officers includes, without limitation, comments by Lieutenant Robert Kroll in
2007 that United States Congressman Keith Ellison, who is a Muslim and black, is a terrorist.
Kroll also made discriminatory comments against a homosexual aide to Minneapolis Mayor R.T.
Rybak, Stephen Bosacker. An Inspector, a Deputy Chief of Professional Standards, and a
Commander of Training were present when Kroll made these racist statements, none of whom
objected or took any corrective action in response to Kroll’s discriminatory statements. Upon
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information and belief, Kroll, a crony of Defendant Dolan’s, wears a motorcycle jacket with a
“White Power” badge sewn onto it.

This clown is a loser of the highest order and should not be a police officer-He has cost the city of Minneapolis hundreds of thousands dollars.