Minneapolis: Most dangerous downtown of any US major city? (crimes, how much)

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by naycherboy

I was hoping for a more intelligent argument, but a response could have been along the lines of the Broken Window Theory. Its a subject for debate, but many feel that enforcing the law on smaller crimes will enforce safety and prevent larger crimes.

Have you read Freakonomics? Steve Levitt and Stephen J. Dubbner provide a compelling argument of why there is no significant causal relationship between aggressive policing of low-level crimes and a reduction in violent crime or overall crime. In other words the broken window theory has been largely disproven.

[wamer27]

What has the mayor said of what’s happening lately? Would things change if he was a victim? He should go walk the streets alone late in the evening, it’s a part of his job

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Have you read Freakonomics? Steve Levitt and Stephen J. Dubbner provide a compelling argument of why there is no significant causal relationship between aggressive policing of low-level crimes and a reduction in violent crime or overall crime. In other words the broken window theory has been largely disproven.

Actually, much of what is written in Freakonomics, including the authors’ theories on broken windows policing, has been debunked. Here are two examples. There are many more.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...rrs-10115.html

https://www.americanscientist.org/ar...hat-went-wrong

[TwinsFan1975]

Originally Posted by wamer27

What has the mayor said of what’s happening lately? Would things change if he was a victim? He should go walk the streets alone late in the evening, it’s a part of his job

It doesn't even have to be late. It's now pretty much dark at 7:30 and after dark is when the bad guys come out.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Actually, much of what is written in Freakonomics, including the authors’ theories on broken windows policing, has been debunked. Here are two examples. There are many more.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/wh...rrs-10115.html

https://www.americanscientist.org/ar...hat-went-wrong

Levitt responds to the criticisms in the Freakonomics podcast dated July 10th. There are a few minor corrections and clarifications provided and new data that largely continue to support the conclusions drawn in the book now 14 years after it was published. I disagree that it’s been debunked.

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by TwinsFan1975

It doesn't even have to be late. It's now pretty much dark at 7:30 and after dark is when the bad guys come out.

He probably lives in Edina.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Levitt responds to the criticisms in the Freakonomics podcast dated July 10th. There are a few minor corrections and clarifications provided and new data that largely continue to support the conclusions drawn in the book now 14 years after it was published. I disagree that it’s been debunked.

Obviously we disagree. You wrote that the broken windows theory of policing had been “largely disproven” because of what was written in Freakonomics. That is clearly disputable.

I find Levitt’s self-defense obvious and unpersuasive. While I was able to find many criticisms, I was unable to find a single scholarly paper supporting the work in Freakonomics. Perhaps you know of one.

[cttransplant85]

Originally Posted by FJhg

There are diversity maps out there, and you can see how huge, black and segregated North Minneapolis is. I think when you have massive segregated neighborhoods like that it's just a recipe for disaster, many cities especially on the west coast are much more diversely spread out.

Cities out west generally have very few black people. Mostly comprised of Whites, Asians, and Hispanics. I very much doubt segregation actually plays into crime, it’s more about culture than anything, socioeconomics also playing a part. NYC is the most ethnically segregated place on earth and has very low crime. Atlanta is one of the least segregated places and has lots of crime.

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Obviously we disagree. You wrote that the broken windows theory of policing had been “largely disproven” because of what was written in Freakonomics. That is clearly disputable.

I find Levitt’s self-defense obvious and unpersuasive. While I was able to find many criticisms, I was unable to find a single scholarly paper supporting the work in Freakonomics. Perhaps you know of one.

The conclusions are controversial which is why it’s easy to google criticisms but both are renown economists. Levitt went to Harvard for his undergraduate degree and obtained a Ph.D in economics from MIT before joining the Department of Economics at the University of Chicago. He has several other published works. All of his conclusions are supported by data. Soooooo why the skepticism?

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

The conclusions are controversial which is why it’s easy to google criticisms but both are renown economists. Levitt went to Harvard for his undergraduate degree and obtained a Ph.D in economics from MIT before joining the Department of Economics at the University of Chicago. He has several other published works. All of his conclusions are supported by data. Soooooo why the skepticism?

If the work was truly controversial, it would be easy to find scholars on both sides of the argument. It is not. The academic criticism is of his methods of analyzing the data and that his conclusions are not supported by the data.

The authors wrote a very engaging, popular, and financially successful book, which has become a business unto itself, but it’s not viewed as the serious work you seem to think it is.
http://freakonomics.com/