Cop shoots and kills lady in South Minneapolis (Badger: felon, university)

[David A Stone]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Those figures is from deaths from all sources. The number shot increased pretty significantly, but was offset by a decline in the number of deaths from auto crashes and job related illnesses. Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths

Not knowing any details about the circumstances of this particular incident, it seems pointless to start a side discussion around this topic.

......(2nd sentence )........"number shot increased pretty significantly "..

posters can try to spin that any way they want

[minndavid60]

Originally Posted by chessgeek

When an unarmed woman that called the police after being concerned about a possible crime in her neighborhood, gets shot by the officer, who also failed to turn on his body camera, there is a problem with that officer continuing to serve and protect IMO.

We still need more details from the BCA, but I will be surprised if an arrest is not made. Of course, he is entitled to a fair trial and can be acquitted for merely saying he was fearful. The average citizen does not have that lower standard.

Btw, Minneapolis had far more murders 20 years ago. The Fulton neighborhood is a safe one.

Would your post be the same if that woman was a friend and not a stranger? Don't you think officers should be accountable to the citizens they serve?

This could also put a chilling effect on people that may decide not to call the police when they should.

What I think is that there is a huge, organized movement by those on the far left to demonize and ultimately dispense with local police forces and replace them with a national police force that can be better controlled by those on the far left.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by minndavid60

What I think is that there is a huge, organized movement by those on the far left to demonize and ultimately dispense with local police forces and replace them with a national police force that can be better controlled by those on the far left.

yes, and to corner the market on tinfoil too

[Thedosius]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Those figures is from deaths from all sources. The number shot increased pretty significantly, but was offset by a decline in the number of deaths from auto crashes and job related illnesses. Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths

Not knowing any details about the circumstances of this particular incident, it seems pointless to start a side discussion around this topic.

You are correct that this is deaths from all sources, but whether or not the number of shootings is increasing is not clear from the data since there is a pretty big swing year-to-year. Shootings spiked in 2007 and 2011, dropped to an extraordinary low in 2013, up in 2014, down in 2015, up in 2016...

2007 70
2008 41
2009 50
2010 60
2011 73
2012 50
2013 34
2014 50
2015 43
2016 66

5-year average 2007-2011: 54.8
5-year average 2012-2016: 48.6

The point is that overall police are not in greater danger than in past years. I agree that we don't know the circumstances of this incident, meaning we can only meaningfully talk about the environment in which this shooting took place. This environment is not one of exceptional danger to police.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

You are correct that this is deaths from all sources, but whether or not the number of shootings is increasing is not clear from the data since there is a pretty big swing year-to-year. Shootings spiked in 2007 and 2011, dropped to an extraordinary low in 2013, up in 2014, down in 2015, up in 2016...

2007 70
2008 41
2009 50
2010 60
2011 73
2012 50
2013 34
2014 50
2015 43
2016 66

5-year average 2007-2011: 54.8
5-year average 2012-2016: 48.6

The point is that overall police are not in greater danger than in past years. I agree that we don't know the circumstances of this incident, meaning we can only meaningfully talk about the environment in which this shooting took place. This environment is not one of exceptional danger to police.

Deaths by shootings increased from 43 in 2015 to 66 in 2016, a 53.5% increase. That is a pretty significant increase. But exactly what is your point? It must be pretty important to hijack a thread about an innocent woman's death.

[chessgeek]

Originally Posted by minndavid60

What I think is that there is a huge, organized movement by those on the far left to demonize and ultimately dispense with local police forces and replace them with a national police force that can be better controlled by those on the far left.

Lol. Are you serious with this comment? Sounds like a conspiracy theory from Alex Jones. Thought you may be kidding, but I don't see a laugh icon , so I don't know for sure. If you are serious, we agree to disagree.

The majority of people want the very small percentage of worst offending officers to be disciplined and removed if they can't do the job. The very worst that shoot innocent people may be arrested. Also improved training, screening and body cameras that are actually used. Think officers that have been on the force 10 years or more without misconduct or an incident like this deserve an additional raise in pay and if practical, additional vacation time off, too . Those are officers we want to keep!

These reforms not only help the public, but enable the good, dedicated officers not to be brought down or tainted by the bad apples. Just basic common sense reforms and improvements that will help both the public and the police. Who could be against that?

What we want to avoid is a situation where people are afraid to contact the police.

[Thedosius]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Deaths by shootings increased from 43 in 2015 to 66 in 2016, a 53.5% increase. That is a pretty significant increase. But exactly what is your point? It must be pretty important to hijack a thread about an innocent woman's death.

Basic statistics shows that you use moving averages to get an understanding of the overall picture. This link to a Statistics How To will provide you with the very basics of statistics to enable you to understand the data. Moving Average: What it is and How to Calculate it. I will not be spending more time on remedial education on this matter.

You will notice that I use the exact same methodology used in this example, just on a different data set- one is sales, one is police shootings. In both cases, there is a downward trend line.

As I have explained once already, we have no information about this woman's death. We can only talk about the environment this incident happened in.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Thedosius

Basic statistics shows that you use moving averages to get an understanding of the overall picture. This link to a Statistics How To will provide you with the very basics of statistics to enable you to understand the data. Moving Average: What it is and How to Calculate it. I will not be spending more time on remedial education on this matter.

You will notice that I use the exact same methodology used in this example, just on a different data set- one is sales, one is police shootings. In both cases, there is a downward trend line.

As I have explained once already, we have no information about this woman's death. We can only talk about the environment this incident happened in.

I am very aware of how to use statistics to tell the story you want to tell as, apparently, are you. So we both know that a moving average can be useful in reducing the effect of outlying data, or in hiding changes in a trend. And we also all know why you find this elementary technique so useful to your narrative.

[MinervaPallasAthena]

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[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by MinervaPallasAthena

https://heavy.com/news/2017/07/moham...mali-mohammed/
Mohammed Noor is his name and he is from Somalia.

says who?