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Old 10-21-2023, 05:21 AM
 
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PG County has always been the DMV's ugly step sister, even when it was majority white. I recall a lot of white residents complaining that the "master plan" has always been to direct black people to PG County to "save" Montgomery County and the other surrounding counties.
Not sure that was the case. Southeast Washington, Anacostia area had a large black population that bordered PG, not Montgomery, not Alexandria/Arlington. Blacks, like whites, wanted out of the city, out of DC. PG was right next door. And so to this day blacks have moved farther south along with many of those whites who fled much earlier. I would think those blacks out of NW who moved to Montgomery were better off for sure. The price of housing, both in purchase and rent, made a big difference too.
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Old 10-21-2023, 06:22 AM
 
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Actually, yes. They called the astronomical growth of Southern Maryland back in the 1970s that began in the late 80s and continues, although slower, today. The people who screwed the pooch back then were the local officials. They didn't put two and two together with school growth and clung to the belief that people of child bearing age couldn't afford the houses being built. They were wrong.

The only kicker was that they didn't get St. Mary's exactly right, mostly because no one saw BRAC coming and how so many commands would be consolidated at PAX. At the time the talk/belief was that PAX would slowly attrite missions out to Edwards where the flight rules were, still are, looser.

They also projected that Prince George's would become majority Black when the County was still 75% White.
"Actually, yes"

"back in the 1970s"

Man, you really had to dig back a long time to come up with something to back up your claim.
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Old 10-21-2023, 06:39 AM
 
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"Actually, yes"

"back in the 1970s"

Man, you really had to dig back a long time to come up with something to back up your claim.
Not going back that far in the continuum. The 1970s was also when Planning and Zoning was mandated statewide.

That is a long time ago, I guess, but keep in mind that I got involved in local things in the early 80s, so I've seen the progression.

Planning departments go out decades for their projections. Shaefer's plan was called Maryland 2020, that was in 1988, and was built on a Harry Hughes initiative.

That was followed by Glendenning's Smart Growth, which Ehrlich nibbled at around the edges.

Then came O' Malley's Plan Maryland, which Hogan nibbled at but didn't change much.

Moore, following the Legislature, has gone all in on Net Zero Carbon.

Every one of those plans built on the previous ones.
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Old 10-22-2023, 05:27 AM
 
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Not going back that far in the continuum. The 1970s was also when Planning and Zoning was mandated statewide.

That is a long time ago, I guess, but keep in mind that I got involved in local things in the early 80s, so I've seen the progression.

Planning departments go out decades for their projections. Shaefer's plan was called Maryland 2020, that was in 1988, and was built on a Harry Hughes initiative.

That was followed by Glendenning's Smart Growth, which Ehrlich nibbled at around the edges.

Then came O' Malley's Plan Maryland, which Hogan nibbled at but didn't change much.

Moore, following the Legislature, has gone all in on Net Zero Carbon.

Every one of those plans built on the previous ones.
Do you know how the Bay bridge got built?

A certain dem politician owned land on the Eastern shore he got "cheap".

What do you think it was worth AFTER the bridge was built?

As they say, "there is NO interest then SELF interest"!

And it's affect on Waldrorf?

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Old 10-22-2023, 05:52 AM
 
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Do you know how the Bay bridge got built?

A certain dem politician owned land on the Eastern shore he got "cheap".

What do you think it was worth AFTER the bridge was built?

As they say, "there is NO interest then SELF interest"!

And it's affect on Waldrorf?
Oh, I know the story on that. Then there is the perennial goal of building a southern crossing out of Calvert (which has quieted) because that same official owned land on both sides of the Bay.

The kicker there is the property on the Shore is now underwater.
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Old 10-22-2023, 12:00 PM
 
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Oh, I know the story on that. Then there is the perennial goal of building a southern crossing out of Calvert (which has quieted) because that same official owned land on both sides of the Bay.

The kicker there is the property on the Shore is now underwater.
" of building a southern crossing out of Calvert"

Which I have always been for.
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Old 10-22-2023, 04:56 PM
 
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" of building a southern crossing out of Calvert"

Which I have always been for.
The State couldn't afford a Calvert crossing. That ship sailed decades ago. You already have every intersection from Dunkirk to St' Leonard at a D/E grade. That's after the upgrades between the two points and the widening in Prince Frederick.

And, as I said, the land where the bridge bases would be are now underwater.
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Old 10-23-2023, 05:18 AM
 
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The State couldn't afford a Calvert crossing. That ship sailed decades ago. You already have every intersection from Dunkirk to St' Leonard at a D/E grade. That's after the upgrades between the two points and the widening in Prince Frederick.

And, as I said, the land where the bridge bases would be are now underwater.
are now underwater.
find a new location.

"The State couldn't afford a Calvert crossing."

Sure they can.

Stop all the waste fraud and abuse and will have plenty.

Stop giving teachers automatic raises when they get a masters degree BEFORE proving they are now a better teacher, is a good place to start.

You are a teacher, right?

Maybe they should start hiring new teachers who can actually teach!
  1. https://dailycaller.com › 2023 › 02 › 10 › not-one-student-met-grade-level-expectations-for-math-in-23-baltimore-schools-report

    Not One Student Was Proficient In Math In 23 Baltimore Schools: REPORT ...


    Feb 10, 2023In 23 Baltimore City Schools, zero students tested proficient in math in 2022, according to a report by Project Baltimore.
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    At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested ... - WBFF

    Sep 19, 2023(WBFF) BALTIMORE (WBFF) — The latest round of state test results is raising alarm in Baltimore City Schools. Project Baltimore found that 40% of Baltimore City high schools, where the state...
  3. https://nypost.com › 2023 › 09 › 23 › students-at-40-of-baltimore-high-schools-failed-math-proficiency-exam

    Students at 40% of Baltimore high schools failed math proficiency exam ...


    Sep 23, 2023None of the students at 40% of Baltimore's public high schools tested proficient on the state math exam given this past spring — with a staggering three-quarters earning the lowest possible...
  4. https://foxbaltimore.com › news › project-baltimore › state-test-results-23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-jovani-patterson-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-maryland-governor-wes-moore

    23 Baltimore schools have zero students proficient in math, per state ...


    Feb 7, 2023In Baltimore City, just 7 percent of third through eighth graders tested proficient in math, which means 93 percent could not do math at grade level (WBFF) But that's not all; Project...
  5. https://foxbaltimore.com › morning › baltimore-city-schools-13-schools-fail-proficient-math-scores-

    Baltimore City Schools lacks urgent response to failing math scores ...


    Sep 21, 2023(WBFF) Project Baltimore found that 13 Baltimore City public high schools had zero students who tested proficient in math this past spring. A Black student advocate says city school...
    "
"While Maryland, like other states, has had a large budget surplus with the help of enormous federal pandemic aid"

"maintains a Rainy Day Fund of about $2.5 billion, or 10% of the state's general fund. In addition, it has a fund balance of $820 million on top of that."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nd-budget-plan

"Moore also underscored a $500 million general fund investment in transportation the administration plans to leverage with additional federal matching fund support. The money will be set aside as a dedicated reserve to support priority projects across the state."

“We need to have a transportation system that allows people to get from where they live to where opportunity lies," Moore said."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nd-budget-plan'

They somehow found the money to build new sports stadiums.

"Top Maryland state officials approved a new lease for the Ravens on Wednesday that will keep the football team playing at the state-owned M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore for the next 15 to 25 years.
The Board of Public Works voted unanimously to approve the lease. The Ravens will pay no rent, but must pay for ongoing operations and maintenance at the stadium"

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/s...C6KG5DMWB4YEA/

States always manage to find the money to do the things they WANT to do!
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Old 10-23-2023, 05:50 AM
 
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are now underwater.
find a new location.

"The State couldn't afford a Calvert crossing."

Sure they can.

Stop all the waste fraud and abuse and will have plenty.

Stop giving teachers automatic raises when they get a masters degree BEFORE proving they are now a better teacher, is a good place to start.

You are a teacher, right?

Maybe they should start hiring new teachers who can actually teach!
  1. https://dailycaller.com › 2023 › 02 › 10 › not-one-student-met-grade-level-expectations-for-math-in-23-baltimore-schools-report

    Not One Student Was Proficient In Math In 23 Baltimore Schools: REPORT ...


    Feb 10, 2023In 23 Baltimore City Schools, zero students tested proficient in math in 2022, according to a report by Project Baltimore.
  2. https://foxbaltimore.com › news › project-baltimore › at-13-baltimore-city-high-schools-zero-students-tested-proficient-on-2023-state-math-exam

    At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested ... - WBFF

    Sep 19, 2023(WBFF) BALTIMORE (WBFF) — The latest round of state test results is raising alarm in Baltimore City Schools. Project Baltimore found that 40% of Baltimore City high schools, where the state...
  3. https://nypost.com › 2023 › 09 › 23 › students-at-40-of-baltimore-high-schools-failed-math-proficiency-exam

    Students at 40% of Baltimore high schools failed math proficiency exam ...


    Sep 23, 2023None of the students at 40% of Baltimore's public high schools tested proficient on the state math exam given this past spring — with a staggering three-quarters earning the lowest possible...
  4. https://foxbaltimore.com › news › project-baltimore › state-test-results-23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-jovani-patterson-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-maryland-governor-wes-moore

    23 Baltimore schools have zero students proficient in math, per state ...


    Feb 7, 2023In Baltimore City, just 7 percent of third through eighth graders tested proficient in math, which means 93 percent could not do math at grade level (WBFF) But that's not all; Project...
  5. https://foxbaltimore.com › morning › baltimore-city-schools-13-schools-fail-proficient-math-scores-

    Baltimore City Schools lacks urgent response to failing math scores ...


    Sep 21, 2023(WBFF) Project Baltimore found that 13 Baltimore City public high schools had zero students who tested proficient in math this past spring. A Black student advocate says city school...
    "
"While Maryland, like other states, has had a large budget surplus with the help of enormous federal pandemic aid"

"maintains a Rainy Day Fund of about $2.5 billion, or 10% of the state's general fund. In addition, it has a fund balance of $820 million on top of that."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nd-budget-plan

"Moore also underscored a $500 million general fund investment in transportation the administration plans to leverage with additional federal matching fund support. The money will be set aside as a dedicated reserve to support priority projects across the state."

“We need to have a transportation system that allows people to get from where they live to where opportunity lies," Moore said."

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nd-budget-plan'

They somehow found the money to build new sports stadiums.

"Top Maryland state officials approved a new lease for the Ravens on Wednesday that will keep the football team playing at the state-owned M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore for the next 15 to 25 years.
The Board of Public Works voted unanimously to approve the lease. The Ravens will pay no rent, but must pay for ongoing operations and maintenance at the stadium"

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/s...C6KG5DMWB4YEA/

States always manage to find the money to do the things they WANT to do!
s stadia I'm retired. Maybe have parents raise their kids from birth until 5 so they actually can learn. You know, stupid stuff like teaching them colors, reading to them, teaching them letters and counting. Maybe even toilet train them. You know, "parent stuff".

When that happens then we'll talk about "competent teachers".

The various stadia are financed by the Lottery. "You Have To Play To Win"

A bridge would be $2 billion at the bottom end. Environmental mitigation would be another billion or so. The upgrades needed for RTE 4 from Wayson's is unknown, I saw a number of $10 billion to take it down to Drum Point. The number to bring it down to Chesapeake Beach was $5 billion. There were exactly two people who supported that. Then you have the condemnation proceedings for the properties on both sides of the Bay.

If they started today with plans for a lower crossing you're looking at twenty years before the first shovel of dirt is turned.

Yeah, about that surplus. The federal money is a one time shot. The State is on track to run a couple billion dollar deficit in three years even accounting for that money. The Rainy Day fund is actually under where it's mandated to be by law. Every Governor has done that and nobody says anything.
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Old 10-23-2023, 08:13 AM
 
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" of building a southern crossing out of Calvert"

Which I have always been for.
I moved down her from NJ in 1980. I met Luis Goldstein through my Job and soon found oud out he owned more property in Calvert on the Bay then anyone. When I asked a few question it was rumored he knew they would build another crossing to the Eastern Shore from Calvert . 43 years later we are no closer to it then we were 43 years ago. If it ever came true Rt 4 from Solomon's to the Beltway would at least have to be a 6 lane hwy. The Solomon's bridge would have to be replaced (needs it now) as would the roads in St, Mary's and Rt 5 up into Charles counties.
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