Do Marylanders consider themselves "North Eastern" (Baltimore, California: hotel, neighborhood)

[NW4me]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Right, siding with the Union does not make one a "northern state." For Civil War purposes,

Maryland was considered a "border state" meaning a slave state that did not secede.

Considered by whom? It was a war, there was the North and the South, there were no in-betweens.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by NW4me

Considered by whom? It was a war, there was the North and the South, there weren't in-betweens.

Yes, there were. The Emancipation Proclamation itself excluded the slave states that stayed in the Union. Maryland was very much in-between and Lincoln himself understood this better than anyone.

[North Beach Person]

Originally Posted by Veritas Vincit

The native Marylanders I've met have an accent that I'd consider much closer to Philly than to the South.

What part of Maryland?

[personone]

Originally Posted by NW4me

Considered by whom? It was a war, there was the North and the South, there were no in-betweens.

I don't understand why you try to fight this so much in every thread. These are native Marylanders who consider ourselves Mid-Atlantic or Southern (not Northeastern).

I was born here and because it's a place of intersection (where you have both Northern and Southern culture), I think Mid-Atlantic is probably the best term, but the state is technically Southern.

[personone]

Originally Posted by NW4me

For Civil War purposes, CA was 'North,' though it's a Western state.
Illinois was 'North,' too, though geographically we call it Midwestern.

Illinois and the Midwestern Great Lakes states are considered part of The North.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_United_States

In common vernacular, most people think "Northeast" when they hear the phrase "The North." But in the Midwest, it is commonly used to refer to the Great Lakes States- Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota. Most of these states (especially Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan) are further "north" than many of the NE States like PA, NJ, Mass, RI, Conn, etc.).

[NW4me]

Originally Posted by personone

I don't understand why you try to fight this so much in every thread.

These are native Marylanders who consider ourselves Mid-Atlantic or Southern (not Northeastern).

I was born here and because it's a place of intersection (where you have both Northern and Southern culture), I think Mid-Atlantic is probably the best term, but the state is technically Southern.

When I read something that doesn't make sense.... yes, I argue against it.
(Though I avoid the Politics forum, because I'm not going to make a full-time job of arguing on CD.)
I'm not in Maryland now, and didn't grow up there either, but when I was there, everything I saw around me
and learned from reading indicated I was in the Northeast. Yet I read CDers saying, 'no MD isn't Northeastern, it's Southern'...
but for what reasons?

"Because the Census Bureau said so." But why? Did they do some kind of sociological analysis to explain that decision,
or was it only a bureaucratic convenience? Maybe they wanted to avoid splitting the DC metro area (DC and MD suburbs
in the North, VA suburbs in the South) for statistical purposes? Does anybody know?

"Because, the Mason-Dixon Line." A total mystery there: how did a border drawn between two colonies
somehow come to stand for the border between the Northern and Southern U.S.? No explanation.

Still waiting to hear some substantive arguments for Maryland being in the South.
And what does 'technically Southern' mean?

'Mid-Atlantic' seems to connote different things to different people. I understood it to mean
NY + NJ + PA + DE + MD + DC. If that's also your definition of Mid-Atlantic, we're on the same page.
But others say it includes VA, or maybe doesn't include NY/NJ.

[North Beach Person]

To somewhat answer your question the Mason-Dixon Line for a long time was more or less the divider between Free and Slave states.

Maryland's governmental structure is very Southern-small number of incorporated municipalities (157 in the whole state) with the main driver of local government being the County, especially in education and law enforcement.

The practice of politics is very plantation like (or Big Man if you like that better).

I have a quiz for you:

1. You discover the water main in front of your house is leaking. Who do you call to report it?
A) your local Town Hall
B) your County Commissioner
C) your Congressman

2. The vacation house next door is being broken into. Who do you call to report it?
A) the local Sheriff's Department
B) the Maryland State Police
C) No one. You wait three weeks until the next Town Council meeting and tell its members about it

3. Your Town is having a large festival this weekend. You make which of the following plans for your tourist dependent business?
A) you order more product to sell because you're sure to need it
B) you schedule extra employees
C) you plan to close because you get stressed out by having too many customers and besides, you want to go to the festival because there will be beer wagons and you can get drunk on the street

The correct answer for all three questions is C and are situations I've experienced in Maryland involving Maryland natives. Now, I do have to say that 2 and 3 were done by Montgomery County natives who moved here.

[personone]

Originally Posted by NW4me

When I read something that doesn't make sense.... yes, I argue against it.
(Though I avoid the Politics forum, because I'm not going to make a full-time job of arguing on CD.)
I'm not in Maryland now, and didn't grow up there either, but when I was there, everything I saw around me
and learned from reading indicated I was in the Northeast. Yet I read CDers saying, 'no MD isn't Northeastern, it's Southern'...
but for what reasons?

"Because the Census Bureau said so." But why? Did they do some kind of sociological analysis to explain that decision,
or was it only a bureaucratic convenience? Maybe they wanted to avoid splitting the DC metro area (DC and MD suburbs
in the North, VA suburbs in the South) for statistical purposes? Does anybody know?

"Because, the Mason-Dixon Line." A total mystery there: how did a border drawn between two colonies
somehow come to stand for the border between the Northern and Southern U.S.? No explanation.

Still waiting to hear some substantive arguments for Maryland being in the South.
And what does 'technically Southern' mean?

'Mid-Atlantic' seems to connote different things to different people. I understood it to mean
NY + NJ + PA + DE + MD + DC. If that's also your definition of Mid-Atlantic, we're on the same page.
But others say it includes VA, or maybe doesn't include NY/NJ.

Let me flip the question. What did you see that made Maryland feel so Northeastern? What is a substantive argument for it being Northeastern? I meant it is technically Southern per the Census.

I will continue to argue it’s Southern on all threads

[jpdivola]

Originally Posted by NW4me

Still waiting to hear some substantive arguments for Maryland being in the South.
And what does 'technically Southern' mean?

'Mid-Atlantic' seems to connote different things to different people. I understood it to mean
NY + NJ + PA + DE + MD + DC. If that's also your definition of Mid-Atlantic, we're on the same page.
But others say it includes VA, or maybe doesn't include NY/NJ.

For the record, I'm more interested in whether people consider Maryland to be a northeastern state, not southern or mid-atlantic.

[jpdivola]

Realistically, maybe Eastern PA/NJ, and lower NE (MA, Con, RI) and the NYC/LI/Hudson Valley could form a core Northeast-mega state.