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Old 08-16-2007, 09:48 AM
 
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City Crime Rankings by Population Group LV was buikt on suckers---glad you could make it.

 
Old 08-16-2007, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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City Crime Rankings by Population Group Not to mention LV is the mecca for UNREPORTED crime. In casinos alone I am sure there are at least 100,000 unreported crimes, of the fun-loving type, prostituion & pimping, drug use & possession, and assault. In the neighborhoods, I would bet at least twice that number. There was a spokeperson for a homebuilder on TV 3 or 8, the other day, saying they don't report site thefts, because they don't want to raise the crime rate---& make the subdivision hard to sell to suckers moving here.
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Give it up Greg...there is no justification for the QM ranking except to sell reports. Including car thefts as a violent crime is absurd.

Note as well that Las Vegas has hundreds of thousands of tourist present every day and committing crimes. Those crimes are included in the crime count but the population of tourists is not included. That means the feds numbers are actually well overstated.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas (Huntridge)
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Really what?
 
Old 08-16-2007, 10:34 AM
 
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Give it up Greg...there is no justification for the QM ranking except to sell reports. Including car thefts as a violent crime is absurd.

Note as well that Las Vegas has hundreds of thousands of tourist present every day and committing crimes. Those crimes are included in the crime count but the population of tourists is not included. That means the feds numbers are actually well overstated.
yes those rankings for Bline Bluff and Memphis must really keep the reports flyibg off the shelves. GET A CLUE.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Hey...there are a set of turkeys who regularly list the QM site and likely visit it.

Even one on this list.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV 89012
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City Crime Rankings by Population Group LV was buikt on suckers---glad you could make it.
There are SO many different statistics by SO many different sources, whos to say which ones are right? I can show you ones where Las Vegas isn't even in the top 50 most dangerous, hell, I can probably find ones where it is one of the safest. Take those with a grain of salt, A BIG ONE. The only constant in all of them is that my hometown of Detroit is normaly near the top. These statistics do not mean anything. I learned in my experiences that statistics can be manipulated in any way to achieve the desired outcome. LV was in MSN's list of safest metropolitan areas last year, number 23 of the top 200 I believe. So who is to say that MSN is wrong and your link is right, or vica versa? Nobody, the control groups are normally so tainted that the figures are just flat wrong.

And don't forget that crimes commited by the 30 million and some tourists every year are most likely included in some reports and not others. So again, I say, INACCURATE. Las Vegas was just voted the "safest tourist destination of the year" by one of my fiances resort and hotel publications. Are they right? Whos to say? It just supports my stand that the statistics are way too all over the place to be taken seriously.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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That chart says "Las Vegas-Paradise" and it is probably correct if they are talking about Paradise Township and the 89109 zip code, and the area within about ten blocks of the Boulevard Mall. The cops have been really working to clean it up over there though. They have started that program where you go to jail if you were ever arrested in that area and are ever caught there again. They did the same thing downtown. Does anyone know if they continued that, or has the ACLU jumped in to protect the "rights of the criminals" over that of the victims'?
 
Old 08-16-2007, 04:17 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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There are SO many different statistics by SO many different sources, whos to say which ones are right? I can show you ones where Las Vegas isn't even in the top 50 most dangerous, hell, I can probably find ones where it is one of the safest. Take those with a grain of salt, A BIG ONE. The only constant in all of them is that my hometown of Detroit is normaly near the top. These statistics do not mean anything. I learned in my experiences that statistics can be manipulated in any way to achieve the desired outcome. LV was in MSN's list of safest metropolitan areas last year, number 23 of the top 200 I believe. So who is to say that MSN is wrong and your link is right, or vica versa? Nobody, the control groups are normally so tainted that the figures are just flat wrong.

And don't forget that crimes commited by the 30 million and some tourists every year are most likely included in some reports and not others. So again, I say, INACCURATE. Las Vegas was just voted the "safest tourist destination of the year" by one of my fiances resort and hotel publications. Are they right? Whos to say? It just supports my stand that the statistics are way too all over the place to be taken seriously.
Actually there are not. There is the FBI/DOJ statistics. All MQ does is take those statistics and move car theft from property crime to violent crime. Moves a column. Why do they do it? Because otherwise they would be trying to get people to pay money for a report already available free on the net.

Why does Greg...who fully understand this...repeat their statistic?...Because he hates Las Vegas. Simple as that.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Actually there are not. There is the FBI/DOJ statistics. All MQ does is take those statistics and move car theft from property crime to violent crime. Moves a column. Why do they do it? Because otherwise they would be trying to get people to pay money for a report already available free on the net.

Why does Greg...who fully understand this...repeat their statistic?...Because he hates Las Vegas. Simple as that.
I have a feeling he is one of those people who hates everything by the sound of it. Here's a stat for you. They make up 20% of society and try to make life miserable for the other 80%. Pity them.
 
Old 08-16-2007, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV 89012
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Actually there are not. There is the FBI/DOJ statistics. All MQ does is take those statistics and move car theft from property crime to violent crime. Moves a column. Why do they do it? Because otherwise they would be trying to get people to pay money for a report already available free on the net.

Why does Greg...who fully understand this...repeat their statistic?...Because he hates Las Vegas. Simple as that.
But alot of the numbers are pulled from crimes commited by the transient populations, are they not? That would, to me, seem like it would inflate the numbers alot. Plus the NCIC has complained that numbers are not accurate in alot of areas due to this. We have people come to the jail I work in from out of state all the time, and they have to be added into the local crime statistics. Not to mention, every time we have an arrest for a warrant, the crime is duplicated. Meaning, that we have the crime for which the warrant was issued included in our stats and the stats of the municipality in which the crime was actually commited. Knowing that Las Vagas is a haven for people just "trying to lay low," would indicate to me that the same issues happen there. Now I am not trying to discount the amount of crime in LV, I am just expressing my experience on how these statistics are put together. I do not think they are the most accurate. I could be way off base here, but that is how it works in the jurisdictions that I have worked in.
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