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View Poll Results: Would Illinois be a red or purple state without Chicago?
Red State 32 62.75%
Purple/Swing State 19 37.25%
Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-15-2023, 08:33 AM
 
Location: West Midlands, England
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Personally I think it would be purple, downstate Illinois is reputable for having so many bellwether counties and for having a very moderate culture in general, eg. "Will it play in Peoria?". However though I'm not a native so I don't know if things have changed in recent years. Let me know your thoughts.

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Old 10-15-2023, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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If you also remove the suburbs connected to Chicago as well, you're looking at a purple state.
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Old 10-15-2023, 07:54 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Using the 2020 presidential election, Biden carried Illinois by 3,471,915 votes to Trump's 2,446,891. The removal of the City of Chicago leaves you with Biden carrying Illinois by 2,527,180 votes to Trump's 2,265,657. The removal of Cook County in its entirety changes everything though. With Cook County gone, Trump carries Illinois 1,888,622 to Biden's 1,745,942.

The removal of the collar counties makes Illinois even redder.
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Old 10-15-2023, 10:15 PM
 
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Using the 2020 presidential election, Biden carried Illinois by 3,471,915 votes to Trump's 2,446,891. The removal of the City of Chicago leaves you with Biden carrying Illinois by 2,527,180 votes to Trump's 2,265,657. The removal of Cook County in its entirety changes everything though. With Cook County gone, Trump carries Illinois 1,888,622 to Biden's 1,745,942.

The removal of the collar counties makes Illinois even redder.
Really? I thought downstate Illinois was very moderate. Is Metro East purple, or more blue due to the large black population (particularly in St. Clair county)?
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Old 10-16-2023, 06:44 AM
 
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Really? I thought downstate Illinois was very moderate. Is Metro East purple, or more blue due to the large black population (particularly in St. Clair county)?
Downstate is generally moderate or "purple" as we're calling it. I'm not sure the Trump insanity is a good guide, personally, but even then you see it as a nearly 50/50 split, with rural areas sparsely populated but strongly conservative, some urban areas liberal and Democratic (Champaign, parts of the Metro East), and others somewhat in the middle (Bloomington, Springfield, Peoria).
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Old 10-16-2023, 08:14 AM
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Really? I thought downstate Illinois was very moderate. Is Metro East purple, or more blue due to the large black population (particularly in St. Clair county)?

The Democrat presidential candidate has won Illinois in every election this century. However, without Cook County every presidential election in Illinois this century, except for 2008, would have been won by the Republican (Bush, Bush, Romney, Trump, Trump). Even Obama would have lost in 2012. Cook County greatly skews everything to the left. In my opinion, taking Cook County out of the picture, Illinois is purple north of I80 but is solidly red south of I80. Leans red as a whole ex-Cook.
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Old 10-16-2023, 09:16 AM
 
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The Democrat presidential candidate has won Illinois in every election this century. However, without Cook County every presidential election in Illinois this century, except for 2008, would have been won by the Republican (Bush, Bush, Romney, Trump, Trump). Even Obama would have lost in 2012. Cook County greatly skews everything to the left. In my opinion, taking Cook County out of the picture, Illinois is purple north of I80 but is solidly red south of I80. Leans red as a whole ex-Cook.
I agree, but I was referring more to Metro East, the Illinois-side suburbs of St. Louis. What would the politics be like there, considering this is the second largest urban area in the state outside the Chicago collar counties.
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Old 10-16-2023, 04:14 PM
 
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Really? I thought downstate Illinois was very moderate. Is Metro East purple, or more blue due to the large black population (particularly in St. Clair county)?
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I agree, but I was referring more to Metro East, the Illinois-side suburbs of St. Louis. What would the politics be like there, considering this is the second largest urban area in the state outside the Chicago collar counties.
The Metro East is dominated by Madison and St. Clair Counties, the two largest by population. Madison has about 264k in population to St. Clair's 253k. Every other county in the area is far smaller.

Madison County I used to consider to be more purple, but, ever since Trump, it has swung to the right. Every county level office is held by a Republican at this point, with the exception of the incumbent coroner who plans on retiring in the near future.

St. Clair County is the inverse. Trump's red wave did its damage, but the local Democrats have retained control of the countywide offices.

All the smaller counties are absolutely blood red. You used to be able to get Democrats elected every so often, but those days are long gone.

Also, as for a large black population, that's really only St. Clair County, which is 30.8% black. Madison County is only 9.6% black.
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Old 10-31-2023, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Mt. Morris, IL, Ridott, IL
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Difficult to say, but if you look at Indiana, they're solid red. As for neighboring Missouri, Wisconsin & Iowa, they're kinda purple states, but they lean more red.
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Old 10-31-2023, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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I don't know, but now I feel like listening to PURPLE RAIN.
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