01-02-2021, 12:40 PM
Location: Bonner County
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Hey y'all... Happy New Year!
01-02-2021, 09:11 PM
Location: Bonner County
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Ugh, original post was cut off! What a noob!
01-03-2021, 01:52 AM
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I wouldn't worry. The Blizzaks should get you there just fine whatever route you choose if you're driving sensibly.
01-03-2021, 06:37 AM
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Navigation suggests 15 /90 /93 /200. I've never gone that way before. ... is there a better way to go?
That's the way we've always gone, coming out of Salt Lake, and we've made multiple trips hauling stuff, pulling a UHaul. Congrats on your new place!
01-03-2021, 08:39 AM
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With your forethought of the Blizzak's, you are going to as well off as you can be, unless you get them studded. (But that would be a lot of noise over that long distance!)
01-03-2021, 12:22 PM
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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With your forethought of the Blizzak's, you are going to as well off as you can be, unless you get them studded. (But that would be a lot of noise over that long distance!)
Actually, the Blizzaks' traction is superior to studs.
It's their soft rubber construction. The stuff is similar to foam rubber; it forms billions of tiny cups that act like suction cups on ice, and as the tire wears more are exposed. The siping is also very effective.
The only problem with them is they must be taken off before the pavement heats up in late spring. Normally warm-temperature pavement will cause Blizzaks to literally melt away.
The dealer said they're like racing slicks in hot weather. They grip like crazy, but driving them 100 miles puts 10,000 on their wear.
In cold weather, they hardly wear at all. Mine always went on after the first snow that stuck to the road, and came off on the first day the temps were 70 or higher. After 6 years of this, there was 90% of the tread left on them when I traded the car.
(the Blizzaks went with the trade; they were a non-standard size)
Boone's Toyota is the perfect winter hauler to me. Those things just don't get stuck, no matter how hard you try.
01-03-2021, 02:22 PM
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Weeeeell be careful now. Ice racing and winter rally tires at the top levels are studded, not hydrophillic. My sport has been racing rally cars so traction in all conidtions is something I know a bit.
The hydrophillic rubber is indeed far superior to regular rubber but in no way can match studs on hard-packed snow or ice. The studs don't do you a lick of good in soft snow, but once it packs hard, or gets icy, or you get loose snow laying over pack snow and ice, studs win every time. Most folks don't race on ice LOL so the hydrophillic are quite adequate, and an impressive improvement over regular tires. (The 'all-season' rating is pretty darned useless in snow.)
But, if I had to drive regularly on steeper grades on hard packed snow or ice, I would have studs, no question about it. Part of my planning if we get a certain place in MT is to have a set of studded tires because of having to deal with exactly that situation to get in and out. But I sure would not like to make a trip like the OP on studs!
You're spot on about the temps with the hydrorphillc tires.
From some real expert views about tires on snow/ice plus some video footage on just how fast you CAN go on snow/ice..... enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI_QUIh-z9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7HNT2xXptc
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01-03-2021, 04:07 PM
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Ugh, original post was cut off! What a noob!looks for a non-mountain way there! But seriously, if the weather is bad, is there a better way to go?
Welcome to the forum! And congratulations on buying a house off of Highway 200! 15-90-93-200 is the way we usually go from SoCal to Clark Fork (and on to Sandpoint to stock up on groceries). The advantage is that you can haul a heavy load without having to go over
any mountain ranges. You have a gentle rise up the Eastern Idaho Plateau into Montana, that's all. There are no mountain passes on 200 because it runs along the Clark Fork River most of the way, and then along Lake Pend Oreille. But (here's the caveat): it is a 2-lane road, and it can get icy. We haven't traveled that route ourselves in winter, but several times in heavy outer-season rain storms. The cliffs are famous for their overhanging icicles in winter. But all in all I'd say that it is a good winter route--just take your time.
I have also heard 93 recommended all the way from Vegas to 84 and on to 95, but we haven't done that yet due to the scarcity of services on 93. 95 is great for summer driving, but once you're on 95 north you'll encounter several tight or steep spots that I really wouldn't want to drive in winter (like the White Bird Grade).
01-04-2021, 09:04 PM
Location: Bonner County
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Thanks for your input everyone! I'm certain I'll survive.
01-04-2021, 11:03 PM
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... 15-90-93-200 is the way we usually go from SoCal to Clark Fork (and on to Sandpoint to stock up on groceries). The advantage is that you can haul a heavy load without having to go over any mountain ranges. ...
Ummmm you literally cross the Continental Divide like
twice between Idaho Falls and Butte.
I-90 between Butte and Missoula gets heavy snowfall.
93 and 200 will get less maintenance then 90 and there is a steep climb on 93 just out of Wye.
I can't guarantee it but I suspect 95 is better in an apples-to-apples storm than 200.
If you are headed to "just outside Sandpoint" on 200 I'd personally recommend 15/90/95/200.
Other options would be 5/90/95/200 or 5/84/395/90/95/200.
Stick to major routes if you're nervous about travelling in winter conditions. My $.02
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Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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