07-31-2022, 11:08 AM
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I can tell you from personal experience that the North end of Maui from D.T. Fleming Beach to Honokohau Bay is crawling with 100s of feral cats every evening. All of the schools I visit as well.
An old
cat lady in a new Toyota Prius distributes cat food along a 10-15 mile stretch of road each night (and she drives about 5 mph.
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08-21-2022, 07:38 PM
Location: Inland California Desert
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My observation of Oahu’s feral cats has been they are not a healthy bunch ... not sure how I could quantify or qualify whether they are ‘happy’ or not. But I don’t see much robustness to their lives ... they mostly seem quite sickly and miserable to me.
Cats that are intact often breed 2x to 4x a year . . . multiple kittens each time. You'd look awfully haggard too having to carry that many babies plus hunt for your & their inners while carrying them all within . . . multiple times per year!
My family TNRed a growing colony of cats in my neighborhood, and they became much less agressive & hungry once they weren't having to do everythng that comes along with breeding! Even the males get worn out finding all the females in heat & servicing them . . . plus fighting with other interested males!
The stresses involved do a number on both their health & their attitudes! Get them 'fixed' and their numbers become stable, the need to compete shrinks with being fed regularly to keep pests in check, and those of us who enjoy seeing them get a kick out of having them around, & helping them. . . .
Our neighborhood area had a bad gopher infestation for years. The dogs we'd had did nothing but dig holes & make a lot of noise
trying to get them. . . .
After the dogs were gone from our yard, Mama Kitty from down the block decided to bring her then-current litter to our yard, & I began feeding them, eventually TNRing them all (Mama & Papa, & older kittens from a prior litter). The kittens had been born & grown so far living in a wood pile, so they were feral (as was an older brother who has now become my most affectionate lap cat) . . . The gopher mounds disappeared soon after . . . I could
finally plant something & get to watch it grow up, shade &/or feed me!
Mama Kitty went back to her old stomping grounds (only visiting when someone forgot to feed her at home), while Papa & the others chose to stay with us. They all together protect much of the block's garden plants from gophers, rabbits, mice, & rats now. . . .
We quit putting out bird food in our yard, so there aren't very many birds now for the cats to catch in here.However, I know of 3 varieties here that are considered obnoxious, which are from European countries, and they themselves are known to kill some of our native birds! Even entire families, in taking over their nesting boxes!
I dare you to listen -without bias- to this video, about
:
TNR:
Its Benefits for Cats, People, and the Community
- American Veterinarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y23VS_kzP8
09-13-2023, 08:05 PM
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Cats may kill birds (some may, most aren't that interested), but the numbers are overcooked badly. In truth, 1 out of every 10 attempts works, the other 9 times fail. So they're not very good hunters. The same ratio applies to the bigger cats, most attempts fail badly. A lot of places trap the feral cats and have them neutered, then re release them to the woods and feed them once a day. That sounds like the best way to handle it. I love cats, it makes me sad to see how people can be so cruel and uncaring to just abandon them.
09-14-2023, 04:04 PM
Location: Kahala
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Cats may kill birds (some may, most aren't that interested), but the numbers are overcooked badly. In truth, 1 out of every 10 attempts works, the other 9 times fail. So they're not very good hunters. The same ratio applies to the bigger cats, most attempts fail badly. A lot of places trap the feral cats and have them neutered, then re release them to the woods and feed them once a day. That sounds like the best way to handle it. I love cats, it makes me sad to see how people can be so cruel and uncaring to just abandon them.
Cats kill well over 1 BILLION birds per year just in the United States.
09-19-2023, 10:47 AM
Location: Southernmost tip of the southernmost island in the southernmost state
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Cats kill well over 1 BILLION birds per year just in the United States.
I (sadly) hit a few birds in my car every year. Given that there are 300 million cars in the US I woukd estimate that vehicle strikes alone kill at least that many. Then factor in those that fly into windows, poisoned (on purpose or inadvertently) and numerous other man-made causes and it's easy to see that cats aren't the problem.
09-19-2023, 02:42 PM
Location: Kahala
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I (sadly) hit a few birds in my car every year. Given that there are 300 million cars in the US I woukd estimate that vehicle strikes alone kill at least that many. Then factor in those that fly into windows, poisoned (on purpose or inadvertently) and numerous other man-made causes and it's easy to see that cats aren't the problem.
Cars are estimated to kill between 89 to 350 million birds per year in the United States.
Cats kill over 1 BILLION birds in the United States. I own cats and they do not go outside.
This article states:
Today, it’s estimated that there are 100 million feral and outdoor cats in the U.S. alone. They can make
wonderful pets,
but cats roaming outdoors kill approximately 2.4 billion birds every year in the U.S ., making cat predation by far the largest human-caused source of bird mortality.
https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uplo...s-to-Birds.pdf
09-19-2023, 02:46 PM
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whtviper1
Cars are estimated to kill between 89 to 350 million birds per year in the United States.
Cats kill over 1 BILLION birds in the United States. I own cats and they do not go outside.
This article states:
Today, it’s estimated that there are 100 million feral and outdoor cats in the U.S. alone. They can make
wonderful pets,
but cats roaming outdoors kill approximately 2.4 billion birds every year in the U.S ., making cat predation by far the largest human-caused source of bird mortality.
https://abcbirds.org/wp-content/uplo...s-to-Birds.pdf
They arnt killing enough, craping on my car every day...we need more cats.
09-20-2023, 01:36 PM
Location: Southernmost tip of the southernmost island in the southernmost state
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ben young
they arnt killing enough, craping on my car every day...we need more cats.
lol!
09-20-2023, 01:42 PM
Location: Southernmost tip of the southernmost island in the southernmost state
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Cats kill well over 1 BILLION birds per year just in the United States.
Yet habitat loss is identified as the largest factor in bird decline.
https://abcbirds.org/3-billion-birds...%20of%20losses .
Not saying cats don't get a lot of birds, but it's kind of a catch 22. Get rid of cats and our rat population explodes. While rats won't predate on grown birds, they will eat a lot of chicks and more critically eggs (which cats don't).
So, pick your poison.
09-20-2023, 02:42 PM
Location: Kahala
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Yet habitat loss is identified as the largest factor in bird decline.
https://abcbirds.org/3-billion-birds...%20of%20losses .
Not saying cats don't get a lot of birds, but it's kind of a catch 22. Get rid of cats and our rat population explodes. While rats won't predate on grown birds, they will eat a lot of chicks and more critically eggs (which cats don't).
So, pick your poison.
Cats are terrible at killing rats - mice is another story.
Cats are contradictory creatures. A 2017 study found that domestic felines—deemed one of “the most ubiquitous and environmentally damaging invasive predators on Earth”—have contributed to the extinction of at least 63 global vertebrate species, but new research published in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution suggests feral cats are embarrassingly ineffective when it comes to catching the prey most commonly associated with their urban jaunts: rats.
Researchers led by Fordham University’s Michael Parsons spent five months observing a rat colony housed at a Brooklyn waste management facility, Matthew Taub reports for Atlas Obscura. Although the team initially set out to study pheromones, or airborne chemicals that can influence animal behavior, they soon shifted focus to rat-cat interactions. The results were surprising, to say the least: Over the course of the 79-day testing period, local cats ambushed just three of the facility’s roughly 150 rat—killing only two.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...eck-180970428/
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People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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