Bible talk

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ARE WE ASHAMED OF OUR LORD, EVEN IF WE WERE THREATENED WITH DEATH?

See the words of Jesus in Luke 9:[26] For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

We know that many persons in the early church gave up their lives for their love of our Savior. How strong is our faith in this time of our lives?

See also the words of Paul and Silas to the jailer at Macedonia in Acts 16:[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

I believe the words in Eph. 2:[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Timothy Keller in his book, THE REASON FOR GOD, Belief in an Age
of Skepticism, wrote that,"Good works may produce a great deal of
moral behavior in your life, but inside you are filled
with self-righteousness, cruelty and bigotry. You are always
comparing yourself to other people and are never sure you are
being good enough - by trying to be a good person through an act of will. You need a complete transformation of the very motives of your heart." +
He wrote that the devil prefers Pharisees, who try to save themselves, rather than trusting Jesus to save them.

See also Luke 18:[9] And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:[10]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Jesus said in Luke 11: [13] If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? See also Matt. 7: [7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

The parable above makes it clear that all our natural, good works, even if we profess that we believe on Jesus Christ as the son of God, will not save us. We are saved when we accept his free gift, and ASK FOR THE HOLY SPIRIT TO COME INTO OUR HEARTS.

The followers of Herbert Armstrong, also members of the Shiloh Truelight Church in Mint Hill,NC, in the last 30 or 40 years, have abandoned their claims to be the only ones who preach true doctrines. See the words of Jesus in Mark. 9:[36] And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,[37] Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me. [38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. [39] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. [40] For he that is not against us is on our part.
Those who teach that they are the only one who preach true doctrines are seriously tempted to compare themselves over others like the pharasee above but the publican who prayed, "God be merciful me a sinner," went to his house justified.

See Matt. 7: [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. .
See also 1 John 4:[8] He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. . . . [20] If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

If you have accepted Jesus as your Savior and have the Holy Spirit and truly desire to do the will of our heavenly Father, that Holy Spirit will do good works in and through you, and you will have nothing of which you can boast. And you can enter the kingdom of heaven when you die.

(quoted)I have a question about Groups. So you can't respond to other's posts, or quote as you respond? I don't see any button to click to respond to any of the posts here.(end quote)

Apparently not. And an actual quote box isn't allowed, either. But if you cut and past something here, and mark it as quoted, you can respond. No way of knowing if anyone will understand though.

The controls here are deliberately less friendly. Probably to encourage you to post to the regular forums. The Christianity forum is decidedly hostile to seriously discussing the Bible, however, so I thought I would look around and see if there was something like this, where the Bible could be discussed without hostility.

I have a question about Groups. So you can't respond to other's posts, or quote as you respond? I don't see any button to click to respond to any of the posts here.

Hi All,

It's been a while. I'm doing okay. I'm trying to get to a better job. I have an hour and 15 minute commute to work and I'm in a very ungodly environment. My parents are against me leaving and have turned relatives against me.

I need God to help leave my current job and help me get a job closer to home in a more Christian environment. I reached out to an employer whose owner is Christian.

I also tried for a school district job.

Thank you my prayer warriors,

Dave

Hello, My name is Patria. I am new on this journey learning about God and forming a personal relationship with God. I welcome all information or scriptures anyone would like to suggest have a blessed day.

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Bob, i would be interested in your scriptural view of what causes repentance.

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Originally Posted by jojo-50 - a member of Jehovah's Witnesses
Trust in Jesus, believe in Jesus, love Jesus iness one of the ways which could lead us to life. but those are NOT the ONLY ways. MANY who claim to be Christians, live an immoral and debauched like. MANY sits in their places of worship, whatever those days are. yet they are fornicators, Adulterers, drunkers, and homosexuals, just to name a few ,but Jehovah words says this at, (1Corinthians 6:9 "Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality"). some seem to believe that once we're baptized, we're forever "saved", regardless how we're living. just as long as we're NOT disobeying the 10 Commandments ,sad!

I don't think MANY pay attention to some of the scriptures that they read. because Jesus said this at ,(John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved). NOTICE he said..."MIGHT" be saved. NO ONE knows whether they're "SAVED" or not, until the End hits. if any don't believe, it's NOT MY WORDS, take it up with Jesus ,(Matt. 24:13 -But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved). Jesus TOLD his true followers, just what they need to do in order to have that chance of being saved. MANY "Christians" still want to live as the rest of the world is living, that NOT what Jesus said to do ,(John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world). because he KNEW we were to NOT love the world or the things in it ,(1John 2:15-17), these things will soon pass away.

ANY who's friends with this world, goes against Jehovah God (James 4:4). Jesus told us to "DENY" ourselves and follow him ,(Luke 9:23). Many are focus more on themselves, NOT willing to give up some of their OLD habits ,we NEED TO, (Colo. 3:10 and have put on the new self that is being renewed in knowledge, according to the image of the One who created him). Jesus told us who to pray to , (Matt. 6:9,10), yet MANY refuse to even say his Father's name, not to mention pray to him. some still believe that we should pray to Jesus. though he NEVER said this! Jesus had made known to his Apostles ,(John 17:6). Jesus CLEARLY told us, that we can CALL on him all we want. but if we're NOT doing his "Father's "WILL"... we WON'T make it! ,(Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven).

Jesus showed us the ways in which to walk, if we want life ,(1Pet.2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps). sadly MANY claim Jesus, yet really don't LISTEN to him ,(Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?). so we have to do MORE, than just..."REPENT AND TRUST IN JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD TO BE OUR SAVIOR AND LORD WE SHALL BE SAVED". we have to live in a way that's PLEASING to Jehovah God. which means following Jesus PERFECT EXAMPLE.

jojo -

You have made many true statements.
I have been a member of the Truelight Church of Christ for many years and we had been taught that we were the only true church. But about fifty years ago our elder read from Mark 9:[38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. [39] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. [40] For he that is not against us is on our part.
I have been a member of the Shiloh Truelight Church for many years and we were taught that we were the only true church.

I believe that anyone who is a member of churches who believe their church is the only true church (such as Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses and others) have a strong need to compare themselves with others, as the Pharisee did in Luke ch. 18, rather than humbling themselves like the publican who prayed, "God be merciful to me a sinner.

IF WE REPENT AND TRUST IN JESUS AS THE SON OF GOD TO BE OUR SAVIOR AND LORD WE SHALL BE SAVED

We read in Eph. 2:[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
See Luke 18:[9] And Jesus spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:[10]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Jesus also said in Luke 11:13] If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
If we have truly repented and have trusted in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and have received that Spirit, let us be sure we are not like the Pharisee in Luke chapter 18 who PRAYED WITH HIMSEF that he was not like the publican who Jesus said went down to his house jusrified.
Timothy Keller in his book The Reason For God, Belief in an Age of Skepticism , wrote that, "Good works may produce a great deal of moral behavior in your life, but inside you are filled with self-righteousness, cruelty, and bigotry, and you are miserable. You are always comparing yourself to other people and you are never sure you are being good enough - - - by trying to be a good person through an act of the will. You need a complete transformation of the very motives of your heart."
He wrote that the devil prefers Pharisees, who try to save themselves, rather than trusting in Jesus to save them.
If we truly have received the Holy Spirit, it will do the works in and through us, and we have nothing of which we can boast.
I understand that the scribes and pharisees in the lifetime of Jesus had over 600 individual laws that they claimed to be following, but Jesus said in Matt. 22;37-40 that the law of righteousness was encompassed in the TWO GREAT COMMANDMENTS to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as much as we love ourselves.
The Apostle Paul summarized this in Rom. 7:[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Jesus said in Matt. 7:[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Best wishes to all who seek to know and DO THE WILL OF GOD.